Ah Jonestown resident chimes in.
That story sounds bland and unimaginative.
If is widely considered to be the greatest story ever told, and the climactic image is the most ubiquitous image in world history.
An election between Le Pen and Macron reflects poor taste. Amelie is a dreadful movie.
Yeah, I agree with this particular instance. I wanted Zemmour. Le Pen is a rube.
Imagine saying that you know French popular opinion and then using Macron as evidence.
Mic drop moment for those of us who work with French data. Well done.
Share better data then. It�s weird how the side complaining about anecdotes cannot share either anecdotes or data. If you�re interested only throwing sh1t in anon discussions online I feel sad for you.
I made a single reference to anecdotes. I think you are conflating multiple people.
Here. His approval looks like W. Bush at his worst.
https://twitter.com/ElectsWorld/status/1566013715194978305?s=20&t=0MeXgl6E-xdVNnTjWklz3g
Compare his ratings with his predecessors and peers. Frenchies are worldweary people, happy with nothing and no one.
Ah Jonestown resident chimes in.
That story sounds bland and unimaginative.
If is widely considered to be the greatest story ever told, and the climactic image is the most ubiquitous image in world history.An election between Le Pen and Macron reflects poor taste. Amelie is a dreadful movie.
Yeah, I agree with this particular instance. I wanted Zemmour. Le Pen is a rube.
No, the alt history thought experiment on Christian history does not have anything near that cultural influence.
What's the point of this thread?
Are we supposed to take the French approach to be the right one?
They're a very different society.
The point of this thread is to point out that you are uncool AF. Only the Koolaid Drinkers of Jonestown find you cool.
And hence you have no hope of succeeding. Beauty is truth, truth is beauty.
What's the point of this thread?
Are we supposed to take the French approach to be the right one?
They're a very different society.
It was a flop. The OP thought that US sociologists would be compelled by Frances (unearned) liberal reputation and find it impressive that they (don’t actually) reject all of this from a lefty perspective or something.
Grumpy SOBs https://frenchly.us/its-not-macron-the-french-never-like-their-presidents/
This may or may not take the blame off of Macron for being unpopular. It doesn't make him more popular. Thus the criticism against appealing to him stands.
Macron is not less popular than Biden.
Macron and Le Pen, both "anti-woke", being the top two candidates, and the fourth place candidate being Zemmour (far more conceptually "anti-woke" than Le Pen, being a based J/e/w who publicly discusses white replacement as genocide, and how France as racial homeland of the Celts is being colonized through migration), really speaks to the notion that wokeness is indeed not popular in the country.
Ironically, the pro-woke candidate in France, Melenchon, is also pro-Putin (or would be easily classified as such by the US media if he were an American politician based on his views).
Keep in mind the other reason that wokeness does not fly in France is that they have hate speech laws. You go around publicly talking about how "white people are evil" and you will lose your university job, receive a serious fine, and maybe even serve jail time. American "wokeness" is fundamentally a hate discourse and a unique product of the First Amendment through its racial animus contradicting values of civility held by other western countries.
Ironically, the pro-woke candidate in France, Melenchon, is also pro-Putin (or would be easily classified as such by the US media if he were an American politician based on his views).
Oh man, I'd forgotten about Putin. That's one more dimension where there is a lot more diversity of thought in France than America. Also on Christianity, Islam, J-d-ism. Voltaire lives!
There is much wider variety of discourse, there are outright communists, white supremacists, rabid pro/anti-feminists all with mainstream presence.
It was a flop. The OP thought that US sociologists would be compelled by Frances (unearned) liberal reputation and find it impressive that they (don�t actually) reject all of this from a lefty perspective or something.
You're really extrapolating a lot here, maybe you should run a Psychic Friends phone network.
How are you defining "liberal"? Why are you equating "liberal" with "left" when this is not how those terms are used anywhere except the United States? in much of the world, "liberal" would mean "free market capitalist" or being conceptually anti-left.
Why would anyone think US sociologists would be "compelled by Frances liberal reputation"? These are the people who insist on using Latinx even when shown data that most Latinos reject the term or find it offensive.
That brings up another point: wokeness flops in France because French is a gendered language, and half the content of wokeism is language policing. Sometimes this involves replacing terms arbitrarily designated as offensive with new woke terms (American Indians become Native Americans, p/e/d/o/philes become Minor Attracted Persons, the group now called African Americans saw their name changed multiple times just in the 20th century), but also happens through things like "de-gendering" words (or these can be combined, hence Latinos become Latinx).
French as a language is protected by the Toubon Law, and trying to wokeify the language would be illegal under present law. Even English terms that enter colloquial French speech like "email" become regulated or prohibited as to appearance in official publications.
I've seen American sociologists literally call for de-gendering the Spanish language, failing to see the colonialism/Anglo-imperialism entailed in this. If they have even limited success in that, it would be merely because Latin America is a long-term colonial sphere of influence of the United States.
France by contrast views itself (accurately or not) as a global counter-hegemon against Americanism. Wokeness is viewed as equivalent to Americanism or as merely the newest phase of Americanism by most people in Europe. Asking the French to go woke is like asking them if they want their culture to become "more American" -- wokeness is just the imposition of the political culture and values of the American corporate class. France is one of the last societies where it could be expected to gain any traction.
Unreasonably angry, very tangy, NOT A REAL LEFTIST!!, multiple responses.
Guess who!?
Are you the guy who says Phil makes all the posts you dislike?
Tired of that yet?
And you're really that confused about how "liberal" doesn't mean "leftist" outside the United States?
What seems "unreasonably angry" in any of this? "tangy"?
If you dislike his post so much, just refute the arguments. Just claiming it's bad because Phil or Graaaham or T-Gill or whoever your obsession of this week is wrote it is not a compelling argument to anyone.
Unreasonably angry, very tangy, NOT A REAL LEFTIST!!, multiple responses.
Guess who!?
Are you the guy who says Phil makes all the posts you dislike?
Tired of that yet?
And you're really that confused about how "liberal" doesn't mean "leftist" outside the United States?
What seems "unreasonably angry" in any of this? "tangy"?
If you dislike his post so much, just refute the arguments. Just claiming it's bad because Phil or Graaaham or T-Gill or whoever your obsession of this week is wrote it is not a compelling argument to anyone.
Because the target was supposed to be Americans who don’t know that, silly.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
You: THIS ABOUT PNC AGAIN
We had one guy constantly say any post he dislikes was written by Phil. Are you saying that wasn't you?
Because the target was supposed to be Americans who don�t know that, silly.
This is supposed to be a board for educated people. And this thread is specifically discussing political culture of a country that is not the United States. You'd think an educated sociologist would be at least aware that the word "liberal" means different, and sometimes opposite, things on either side of the Atlantic, right? And if not, they wouldn't barge into a thread about France spouting their ignorance.
Instead of randomly insinuating a post you dislike is written by your obsession, maybe try to actually refute the argument. But you can't do that, can you?
You seem far more inexplicably angry than anyone else posting here, btw.