the last 2 criminologists CU Boulder soc dept hired got their PhDs in Criminology and Criminal Justice. This is something that would have never happened in sociology two decades ago. I am not saying it is a bona fide trend but it speaks to the inane legitimacy/illegitimacy debate on this thread.
it is still more common for C&CJ programs to hire scholars with degrees in sociology than the converse, though. but this has become a lot less common in the last 10 years or so.
i would presume most reasonable academics who dont have an ideological axe to grind feel a similar way
I dont think its good for sociology departments to exclude graduates of CCJ programs, if the work is good.
I feel the same way for sociology phds moving into crim programs.
State funding cuts are going to be a blow to the Florida programs overall and who they can recruit. 4% cut to the university budgets is eliminating lines. Meanwhile, I suspect less anti-intellectual states will have a bigger budgets pull to their programs that can fund grad students. So UF, FSU, UCF, USF, FIU may go down the PHD rankings. Add to it, COVID probably left a big dent in enrollment for this and next year
(Sighs in Floridian Criminologist)
this is a good point. but in fairness, sociology is so broad of a discipline that it also incorporates insights from all those you note as informing crim. sociology's disciplinary breadth is both a strength and a weaknesss and i would argue crim is similarly situated in that way.
The strength of C&CJ is that it�s a field of study not a discipline. So it can assimilate any perspective; sociology, psychology, anthropology, Econ, biology...you name it. Sociology is stuck being...sociology.
this is a good point. but in fairness, sociology is so broad of a discipline that it also incorporates insights from all those you note as informing crim. sociology's disciplinary breadth is both a strength and a weaknesss and i would argue crim is similarly situated in that way.
This is true, and does so more explicitly that crim. I'd say. Ecology/biology metaphors and method in sociology go from Durkheim to modern day organizational ecologists. Sociologists certainly engage with anthropology work more seriously than CJ. Econ soc is explicitly a critique of rational-choice economics and is among the most popular sections of ASA. There are 55 sections and every single one engages other disciplines. In a sense, sociology at its core is a social perspective on some other domain of study.
I wonder if CJ/Crim scholars can really identify authentic differences between CJ work and sociology. Something truly new that CJ developed that didn't have it's roots in another social science?
Agreed on disciplinary breadth. The breadth of topic/focus is super different, though. Crim studies crime/criminal legal system adjacent topics. Sociology studies...society. It does everything and, thus, doesn't "do" anything, particular. Crim/CJ doesn't have that problem, at least not to the same degree.
this is a good point. but in fairness, sociology is so broad of a discipline that it also incorporates insights from all those you note as informing crim. sociology's disciplinary breadth is both a strength and a weaknesss and i would argue crim is similarly situated in that way.
The strength of C&CJ is that it?s a field of study not a discipline. So it can assimilate any perspective; sociology, psychology, anthropology, Econ, biology...you name it. Sociology is stuck being...sociology.
1- University of California Irvine
2- Arizona State University
3- George Mason University
4- Penn State University
5- SUNY Albany
6- University of Maryland
7- University of Cincinnati
8- Georgia State University
9- Northeastern University
10- Rutgers University
11- Temple University
12- University of Missouri-St. Louis
13- Florida State University
14- University of Illinois-Chicago
15- Sam Houston State
1- University of California Irvine
2- Arizona State University
3- George Mason University
4- Penn State University
5- SUNY Albany
6- University of Maryland
7- University of Cincinnati
8- Georgia State University
9- Northeastern University
10- Rutgers University
11- Temple University
12- University of Missouri-St. Louis
13- Florida State University
14- University of Illinois-Chicago
15- Sam Houston State
Would you put Northwestern soc above or below Sam Houston State?
Wow, I had no idea how strong GSU had gotten. I just checked out their faculty page and they've got some pretty notable people. Aren't they a newer (as in created in the last 10-15 years) program too?
They’re good, on a tear. Hired Wright, Sabol, Callie Burt, in the last 3-4 years. Brezina, Topalli, Daigle are solid. Also they started a cyber security thing with Daniel Maimon who they stole from Maryland. The only knock on them is that their PhD program is only 7-8 years old, but my guess is they are doing well with students. I know one just got a job at UT-Dallas.
1- University of California Irvine
2- Arizona State University
3- George Mason University
4- Penn State University
5- SUNY Albany
6- University of Maryland
7- University of Cincinnati
8- Georgia State University
9- Northeastern University
10- Rutgers University
11- Temple University
12- University of Missouri-St. Louis
13- Florida State University
14- University of Illinois-Chicago
15- Sam Houston State
Would you put Northwestern soc above or below Sam Houston State?
I’d put NW Soc at #9 or 10 on their Crim content alone.
1- Penn State University
2. University of California Irvine
3- University of Maryland
4. University of Cincinnati
5. Arizona State University
6. Rutgers University
6. Northeastern University
7. Georgia State University
8. George Mason University
9. SUNY Albany
9. Florida State University
10- Temple University
Temple, Mason, and Albany are ranked too high here. Also, FSU, even with the Stewart data fraud thing, is stronger than any of those three and is stronger than Northeastern as well.
1- Penn State University
2. University of California Irvine
3- University of Maryland
4. University of Cincinnati
5. Arizona State University
6. Rutgers University
6. Northeastern University
7. Georgia State University
8. George Mason University
9. SUNY Albany
9. Florida State University
10- Temple University