This is what is happening now.
The best NYT piece I've ever read
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Dunno. Life's losers have a much harder time taking time off on short notice and traveling across the country. Show me evidence that the Capitol rioters were actually mostly working-class, instead of just assuming it.
Cherlin is usually smarter than this. Wt/f Andy?
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It’s not just about class, it’s about race. You might even see this as a good instance of intersectionality — the debilitating consequences of losing your race-based status esteem when you are already on the bottom.
Dunno. Life's losers have a much harder time taking time off on short notice and traveling across the country. Show me evidence that the Capitol rioters were actually mostly working-class, instead of just assuming it.
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It�s not just about class, it�s about race. You might even see this as a good instance of intersectionality � the debilitating consequences of losing your race-based status esteem when you are already on the bottom.
No white person born in the past 40 years has ever experienced 'race-based status esteem.'
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That's not true on several levels.
What matters is not only one's esteem, but also the direction it is going in. Go into any mostly white town in the U.S. (I grew up in rural PA) and it's just understood that white people are the 'people' and blacks/Latinos just don't really matter. There isn't that insane level of racism that gets portrayed in the media, for sure -- it's not sure much white=good black=bad, it's more white=matters black=does not matter (unless causing mischief).
Even if you're right that that tacit level of status is nowhere near where it once was, it's definitely still moving in a downward direction, and I would argue, is still at the level of white=matter black=doesn't matter. What exacerbates all this is that the black=matter is rapidly increasing.
I'm not actually sure we're disagreeing here. Both of us agree that white status has declined rapidly over the past 40 years; but I would say that whites are upset because they still see themselves as superior to blacks but yet don't get that kind of recognition like they used to (whether compared to 10 20 30 40 or 80 years ago).
It?s not just about class, it?s about race. You might even see this as a good instance of intersectionality ? the debilitating consequences of losing your race-based status esteem when you are already on the bottom.
No white person born in the past 40 years has ever experienced 'race-based status esteem.'
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That's not true on several levels.
What matters is not only one's esteem, but also the direction it is going in. Go into any mostly white town in the U.S. (I grew up in rural PA) and it's just understood that white people are the 'people' and blacks/Latinos just don't really matter. There isn't that insane level of racism that gets portrayed in the media, for sure -- it's not sure much white=good black=bad, it's more white=matters black=does not matter (unless causing mischief).Your account is anecdotal and probably clouded by your own bias or racial h/a/t/r/e/d against whites, stoked by corporate media presentations and oligarch-sponsored hate discourses in American academia.
Most of the anti-white race h/a/t/e discourses are sponsored through the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations, who still have blood on their hands from the Holocaust which was executed through similar racial discourses justifying hatred and systemic violence against a group by portraying them as synonymous with structural privilege.Kimberle Crenshaw is a f/a/s/c/i/s/t w/h/o/r/e of the Rockefeller Foundation whose personal profile was featured on the Rockefeller Foundation's website until recently.
Anyone who has read Marx extensively is aware that the singularly most important strategy used by capitalists to prevent socialist revolution is to divide workers into hostile camps on basis of ethnic differences and then stoke conflict between them using propaganda. Crenshaw is f/a/s/h and she will get what is coming to her. -
Did you look at the photos carefully? Their clothes? Their teeth? Their seeming health?
Some were middle class some were poor.
Dunno. Life's losers have a much harder time taking time off on short notice and traveling across the country. Show me evidence that the Capitol rioters were actually mostly working-class, instead of just assuming it.
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Even if you're right that that tacit level of status is nowhere near where it once was, it's definitely still moving in a downward direction, and I would argue, is still at the level of white=matter black=doesn't matter.
You're speaking anecdotally and I think any aware person would see you as projecting your own racial hatred. White kids are taught to worship black people and "the black struggle" in many forms of hegemonic media. We can list hundreds of examples.
Maybe you actually have no idea what suburban white kids were like in the 1990s, wearing Malcolm X hats and listening to 2Pac and Ice Cube rapping about murdering racist white cops and agreeing with them.What exacerbates all this is that the black=matter is rapidly increasing.
I'm not actually sure we're disagreeing here. Both of us agree that white status has declined rapidly over the past 40 years; but I would say that whites are upset because they still see themselves as superior to blacks but yet don't get that kind of recognition like they used to (whether compared to 10 20 30 40 or 80 years ago).Impoverished people first and foremost care about having food and shelter and other necessities and only in exceptional/eccentric circumstances devote stress to caring about their status compared to impoverished people of other races. It's sad that neoliberal sociologists portray impoverished whites as 'personified hatred' in this way, when it seems they're really just projecting their own petty-bourgeois anti-prole class hatred against them.
You're getting down into Tressie-level neoliberal racial degradation against impoverished whites, almost to the point of saying hundreds of thousands of white suicide and drug overdose victims in the past several years deserved to die because they were racists. -
Extreme inequality fractures communities, and after a while the cracks gape so wide the whole edifice comes tumbling down. In this process everybody has been losing for some time, but perhaps no one quite as much as the white working classes who really have nothing, not even the perceived moral elevation that comes with acknowledged trauma or recognized victimhood. The left is thoroughly ashamed of them. The right sees them only as a useful tool for its own personal ambitions. This inconvenient working-class revolution we are now witnessing has been accused of stupidity—I cursed it myself the day it happened—but the longer you look at it, you realize that in another sense it has the touch of genius, for it intuited the weaknesses of its enemies and effectively exploited them.
-- Zadie SmithNeoliberal identity politics grants social capital to groups perceived as historically margninalized. That has real world impact on human lives regarding economic mobility in a capitalist system.
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Ugh, can't believe my reply was deleted.
In short, I grew up poor in a rural area and it was obvious to everyone in school, in the papers, among my parents' friends, how things looked on sports teams, etc -- white people mattered, and no one else did. We weren't ever thinking about race, but when it's so patently obvious that you don't need to pay attention to any other race, you're also not race-conscious in any way. Yes, we listened to hiphop, but that was about rebelling against our parents -- we weren't embracing black people, we were pissing off our families.
As for Tressie, I don't think she was saying that racists deserved to die. She was saying that white people have on some level some awareness of their continued status loss, especially as of late, and that might have contributed to further diminishment of esteem that exacerbated whatever problems existed already, thus increasing OD/suicide odds.