^ and i love how they never stop talking about how hard the grad school is them while their other peers work the double or triple for the same salary that they get through fellowships. Really s t f u everyone. We know it is happening
Soc PhD students respond to KKH
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okay, last try. According to the ASA report (https://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/research-sociology/trends/doctorates-awarded-sociology-race-or-ethnicity), 8.7% of PhDs were Hispanic in 2016. Are you following me? Now, we DO NOT have data for 2016 about the percentage of TT APs in Sociology, so we will use the NSF data. The NSF data shows that only 6 percent of TT APs in all fields (not just sociology) are Hispanic. Now, this is a 3% gap. Are you still following me? So, where is your evidence that I am misrepresenting the data? There is no full employment in TT AP for Hispanics.
what has doubled since the 1990s? IF you look at the graph closely, you will see quite a bit of fluctuations for the percentage of Hispanics PhDs. In 1989 and 1990, 7.7 and 8.0 percent of all PhD recipients in sociology were Hispanics, respectively. In 2015 and 2016, the most recent years, 9.3 and 8.7 percent of all PhD recipients in soc were Hispanic. So, if you are able to read graphs (again, I feel like I have to tutor you on this), we see that you are wrong in claiming that "the percentage of Hispanics PhDs was far less than the 2017 percentage."
The 2007 ASA report contradicts your numbers here. If you have data, cite it. But for now I'm going to assume that you misrepresented the ASA report yet again.You’re comparing apples and oranges—Soc phds versus all APs. This doesn’t make sense. Comparing apples to apples—all phds to all APs, there is a negligible difference for Hispanics. I keep catching you misrepresenting and torturing the data.
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Do you geniuses even remember how this sub-debate started? Yes, Asian applicants have a slight advantage over identical white applicants. Yes, white applicants have an advantage over non-whites overall.
JesusHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHHAHHA. white applicants have huge disadvantage to balacks and borowns!
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okay, last try. According to the ASA report (https://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/research-sociology/trends/doctorates-awarded-sociology-race-or-ethnicity), 8.7% of PhDs were Hispanic in 2016. Are you following me? Now, we DO NOT have data for 2016 about the percentage of TT APs in Sociology, so we will use the NSF data. The NSF data shows that only 6 percent of TT APs in all fields (not just sociology) are Hispanic. Now, this is a 3% gap. Are you still following me? So, where is your evidence that I am misrepresenting the data? There is no full employment in TT AP for Hispanics.
Why do you assume that all ethnic/racial groups attempt academic careers at same rate? What is your evidence that the difference between 8.7% of Hispanic PhDs and 6% Hispanic TT sociology APs is due to discrimination? A difference in outcome says nothing about the processes producing that outcome.
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okay, last try. According to the ASA report (https://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/research-sociology/trends/doctorates-awarded-sociology-race-or-ethnicity), 8.7% of PhDs were Hispanic in 2016. Are you following me? Now, we DO NOT have data for 2016 about the percentage of TT APs in Sociology, so we will use the NSF data. The NSF data shows that only 6 percent of TT APs in all fields (not just sociology) are Hispanic. Now, this is a 3% gap. Are you still following me? So, where is your evidence that I am misrepresenting the data? There is no full employment in TT AP for Hispanics.
Why do you assume that all ethnic/racial groups attempt academic careers at same rate? What is your evidence that the difference between 8.7% of Hispanic PhDs and 6% Hispanic TT sociology APs is due to discrimination? A difference in outcome says nothing about the processes producing that outcome.His 6% number is *all* Hispanic APs, not Soc APs. All Hispanic PhDs were about 7%. And of course in many fields phds don’t seek tt employment. What the recent NSF data shows for all Hispanics is what the ASA analysis showed—no discrimination at all against Hispanics in academic hiring.
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got schooled. LOL. You're either very young or very old. I didn't get schooled. as someone said, you are really trying to "torture" the data to show preference for Hispanics. The data shows a 33% gap in the number of phd awarded and the number of APs. The data shows that hispanic ABDs have to send 12 more applications compared to white ABDs (in discrimination research, that's used as evidence of discrimination and biases in employment. Why so eager to downplay these patterns? Perhaps you have some anti-Hispanic bias yourself?
I can't believe this thread is still going.
In all fairness, the last few pages have nothing to do with the original topic. Some innumerate k0/0k tried to argue that the tt hiring market discriminates against Hispanics and got schooled. -
got schooled. LOL. You're either very young or very old. I didn't get schooled. as someone said, you are really trying to "torture" the data to show preference for Hispanics. The data shows a 33% gap in the number of phd awarded and the number of APs. The data shows that hispanic ABDs have to send 12 more applications compared to white ABDs (in discrimination research, that's used as evidence of discrimination and biases in employment.
Your second assertion is dubious. Hispanics ABDs send more apps/offer than white ABDs, but Hispanic PhDs send fewer apps/offer than white PhDs. The data doesn't make a strong case either way here. And it's a tiny sample from 1998.
Your first assertion about a 33% "gap" is ridiculous and dishonest. You've compared apples and oranges, as explained above.