Sociologists should stop taking on grad students. Or at least be honest with incoming grads about the ROI they're are facing and utter lack of job opportunity on the other side of the degree they're starting to work on (especially in comparison to doing something else for the next several years).
Should sociology departments stop hiring white people?
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Sociologists should stop taking on grad students. Or at least be honest with incoming grads about the ROI they're are facing and utter lack of job opportunity on the other side of the degree they're starting to work on (especially in comparison to doing something else for the next several years).
“Utter lack of job opportunity” if you can’t find a non academic job anywhere with 7 years of training in research, I don’t pity you. I see LRM quallies getting Facebook jobs, for God’s sake.
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Sociologists should stop taking on grad students. Or at least be honest with incoming grads about the ROI they're are facing and utter lack of job opportunity on the other side of the degree they're starting to work on (especially in comparison to doing something else for the next several years).
�Utter lack of job opportunity� if you can�t find a non academic job anywhere with 7 years of training in research, I don�t pity you. I see LRM quallies getting Facebook jobs, for God�s sake.a lot of soc PhD's do not have marketable research skills.
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^ that’s on them rather than sociology as a discipline. if LRM quallies can get tech jobs, anyone can pick up marketable skills in grad school. and instead of warning them away entirely, it should merely be emphasized to prospective students that they NEED to focus on acquiring such skills during grad school. if only HD had gotten this memo lol
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^ that�s on them rather than sociology as a discipline. if LRM quallies can get tech jobs, anyone can pick up marketable skills in grad school. and instead of warning them away entirely, it should merely be emphasized to prospective students that they NEED to focus on acquiring such skills during grad school. if only HD had gotten this memo lol
totally. i did not say otherwise.
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At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging.
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At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging.My department has experienced the same issues with recruiting and trying to hire POC candidates.
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If your department was truly committed to reduce the race gap in Academia, they should have hired the POC who bombed the interview, or given a chance to those who sucked on paper.
If closing the race gap doesn’t hurt, you are not closing it for good!
At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging. -
If your department was truly committed to reduce the race gap in Academia, they should have hired the POC who bombed the interview, or given a chance to those who sucked on paper.
If closing the race gap doesn’t hurt, you are not closing it for good!
At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging. -
So, you're saying that a very poor POC candidate should be hired over a more qualified nonPOC simply because they are a POC? Lol... a million southern conservatives just began to salivate.
If your department was truly committed to reduce the race gap in Academia, they should have hired the POC who bombed the interview, or given a chance to those who sucked on paper.
If closing the race gap doesn�t hurt, you are not closing it for good!
At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging. -
Well, that happens with ytes all the time: a very poor yt gets hired over a more qualified POCs. Why not? It’s time to be fair and turn the table on mediocre ytes.
So, you're saying that a very poor POC candidate should be hired over a more qualified nonPOC simply because they are a POC? Lol... a million southern conservatives just began to salivate.
If your department was truly committed to reduce the race gap in Academia, they should have hired the POC who bombed the interview, or given a chance to those who sucked on paper.
If closing the race gap doesn?t hurt, you are not closing it for good!
At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging. -
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging.
It's more complicated than that. HRM POCs or even POCs with a solid research record are advantaged.
The droves of POCs who self-select into the wrong depts, the wrong research approaches and the wrong academic communities aren't. They won't get a job at Facebook either.That's how you can have 35% of non-white students across the whole discipline on one hand and half of that among faculty at top depts.
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Even if some garbage yt grad students got jobs on account of their race in the past, it doesn't help the profession to counter that by hiring a bunch of garbage POC students on account of their race. I want a more diverse department too, but not if it requires us to hire folks who can't even meet our modest standards for T&P or who frankly won't improve the dept other than human-decoration.
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If your department was truly committed to reduce the race gap in Academia, they should have hired the POC who bombed the interview, or given a chance to those who sucked on paper.
If closing the race gap doesn�t hurt, you are not closing it for good!
At a LRM R1 department who has tried to hire for diversity recently. Several times, actually. Couldn't do it. Either the POC who applied (specifically Latinos or Af Ams) ultimately didn't want to come to our department/uni/town, or they sucked on paper, or they bombed the interview/job talk.
And the ones who are really good get snagged by higher ranking departments in more desirable places, every time.
So I give up. I no longer believe POC are disadvantaged on the job market. We were begging.A real i/d/i/o/t detected and confirmed. By the way, Columbia did this by hiring Carla Shedd, it worked out really well LMFAO
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You get both ends of the spectrum with POC - strangely bad and awesomely good.
Strangely bad because there are now a number of mechanisms, whether through public programs, financial support, informal quotas (or formal like AA), little self-congratulatory SJW cliques help push low-quality POC scholars through the system.On the other hand, there is definitely still bias, whether implicit or explicit, against POC all throughout K-12, college, grad school etc -- so you have to be quite committed and/or exceptionally talented both to want to put up with going through this system
I went to a top 5, and, on a per capita basis, on a per capita basis, you had more POC who were SJWs unable to think, as well as absolutely brilliant people, than with white people.