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Sociologist
0525

The issue isn't that it's PhD work. Most book people get tenure from publishing their Diss. in book form. Very common.

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Sociologist
bba0

There is no issue. She’ll get tenure when she comes up for it. She hasn’t come up for it yet. EW was promoted from associate to full and his CV is amazing. I do not understand why we are taking about this.

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Sociologist
5689

KB (2 published books + articles) has a standing offer from an Ivy. As part of retention she was supposed to go up for tenure. When it came time to go up, she was told she wasn't ready. Meanwhile, as part of his retention, (his promotion was for retention purposes) EW gets promoted with 3 articles..

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Sociologist
87a7

I don't know if the person posting here thinks they are helping KB with this, but they definitely are not helping her.

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Sociologist
ff25

KB (2 published books + articles) has a standing offer from an Ivy. As part of retention she was supposed to go up for tenure. When it came time to go up, she was told she wasn't ready. Meanwhile, as part of his retention, (his promotion was for retention purposes) EW gets promoted with 3 articles..

Promotion to Full is different from going up for tenure in a lot of ways that have nothing to do with counting articles. In fact, tenure decisions are about much more than counting articles. To be on the outside of these processes and presume to be able to judge them is ridiculous.

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Sociologist
80d3

KB (2 published books + articles) has a standing offer from an Ivy. As part of retention she was supposed to go up for tenure. When it came time to go up, she was told she wasn't ready. Meanwhile, as part of his retention, (his promotion was for retention purposes) EW gets promoted with 3 articles..

If this is true, and she has a standing offer, this should be easy. Take the offer and leave - assuming that this offer comes with tenure. For some reason, I have a feeling that information is selectively been posted here.

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Sociologist
f7ff

KB (2 published books + articles) has a standing offer from an Ivy. As part of retention she was supposed to go up for tenure. When it came time to go up, she was told she wasn't ready. Meanwhile, as part of his retention, (his promotion was for retention purposes) EW gets promoted with 3 articles..

I was gonna say this. Most people may not understand that people who do highly in-demand work like KB often are being targeted for poaching all the time. So the tenure decision usually happens around those negotiations.

She definitely deserves to go up early, but even if u don't think so (YOU'RE WRONG BTW) the fact is that scholars like KB usually have leverage in the form of offers w/ tenure from other top departments

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Sociologist
2e43

She might not want to go up early. We all want tenure but there are good reasons to hold off, especially when the job market is on hold (as it will be for a year or so).

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Sociologist
6e8e

I just saw her CV. So she has no journal publication in the top 5 sociological journals and should go up for tenure earlier?

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Sociologist
6e8e

actually, she has no single authored peer-reviewed journal publication at all?

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Sociologist
2a74

I was gonna say this. Most people may not understand that people who do highly in-demand work like KB often are being targeted for poaching all the time.

The black and Latino ones are. The others not so much.

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Sociologist
6e8e

and her last peer-reviewed journal publication was in 2016? Definitely should not go up early.

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Sociologist
635a

6e8e has no clue how the world works.

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Sociologist
0525

I just saw her CV. So she has no journal publication in the top 5 sociological journals and should go up for tenure earlier?

This is what makes her CV very different than EW or basically most people in the department. She has basically no journal hits.

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Sociologist
1f7d

Who gets Guhin's office when he's denied tenure in a couple of years?

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Sociologist
092d

actually, she has no single authored peer-reviewed journal publication at all?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/ajcs.2016.4

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Sociologist
91b6

KB will have another book.
The book will be very good.
She will get tenure.
Again, this is a non-story. She will be fine.

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Sociologist
635a

Don't come with actual receipts when dismissing arguments from people who aren't concerned with evidence.

actually, she has no single authored peer-reviewed journal publication at all?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/ajcs.2016.4

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Sociologist
0525

KB will have another book.
The book will be very good.
She will get tenure.
Again, this is a non-story. She will be fine.

I think the point is that she shouldn't have to write 2.5 books to get tenure.

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Sociologist
c610

"But expecting to get *early* tenure based on Ph.D. work is not reasonable, even when that work is great."
Tell that to Pat Sharkey.

Tell that Mitch Duneier as well.

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