There is a debate in another thread about which of these two departments is more on the decline.
No one considers Princeton tied for first nor Chicago top 10 anymore...
I agree. Princeton is probably 3 or 4 right now. Chicago is probably 11 or 12, at best.
So, SJMRers, which department will fall most on US News this next round?
Princeton - good. Chicago - no good
Say why. Vote and poast!
So rich they have frozen lines, are getting poached by Harvard, and can't poach any top senior person to make up for the losses. They're a very underfunded department. There was a whole thread about it already...
I guess this depends on whether you're a grad student looking for training and placement or a faculty member looking for a job.
If you're hunting for a job, a rich private school is tough to turn down. We saw that last year.
if you think U of C is "underfunded" you are incredibly misinformed, and possibly quite delusional. Chicago's endowment is less than the very top Ivies, but is on par with the next tier of rich private schools (Northwestern, Stanford, the lesser Ivies, etc). People stop getting all your info from SJMR.
So rich they have frozen lines, are getting poached by Harvard, and can't poach any top senior person to make up for the losses. They're a very underfunded department. There was a whole thread about it already...
I guess this depends on whether you're a grad student looking for training and placement or a faculty member looking for a job.
If you're hunting for a job, a rich private school is tough to turn down. We saw that last year.
Why do people on this board spend so much time talking about which top-10 or top-15 departments are on the decline and on the upswing? I've been a sociologist long enough (15 years) to know that these things ebb and flow over time. Princeton loses a couple people, then a few years later, gains a couple big names. They all do it.
The short-term focus on status and position is destructive, in my view. Trust me in saying that the search committee doesn't care if your department is down four spots this year when they're deciding about whether to bring you in for an interview. Seriously.
Departments will try to steal good people away from somewhere else-- we all want to surround ourselves with brilliant and productive colleagues-- but the folks I know are not wasting time worrying about moving up one or two spots (or down) in the rankings. Neither are the administrators. The only people who seem to care are anxiety-ridden graduate students who want to believe their department is on the upswing and that it will enhance their job market prospects. It simply won't. Focus on doing high-quality work (something you can control) and stop wasting your time worrying about which department "is more on the decline."
Has Chicago even poached any top senior in the last decade? Are they that broke?
So rich they have frozen lines, are getting poached by Harvard, and can't poach any top senior person to make up for the losses. They're a very underfunded department. There was a whole thread about it already...
I guess this depends on whether you're a grad student looking for training and placement or a faculty member looking for a job.
If you're hunting for a job, a rich private school is tough to turn down. We saw that last year.
Yeah they did: Mario Small from Princeton.
Which is why this discussion seems so short-sighted. Chicago can't be that broke, they poached Small from Princeton in the first place. Do people here really think Chicago profs make less than Michigan or Berkeley profs? This whole thing is kinda silly.
Has Chicago even poached any top senior in the last decade? Are they that broke?
So rich they have frozen lines, are getting poached by Harvard, and can't poach any top senior person to make up for the losses. They're a very underfunded department. There was a whole thread about it already...
I guess this depends on whether you're a grad student looking for training and placement or a faculty member looking for a job.
If you're hunting for a job, a rich private school is tough to turn down. We saw that last year.
Was a he a full prof or an associate?
Yeah they did: Mario Small from Princeton.
Which is why this discussion seems so short-sighted. Chicago can't be that broke, they poached Small from Princeton in the first place. Do people here really think Chicago profs make less than Michigan or Berkeley profs? This whole thing is kinda silly.
Has Chicago even poached any top senior in the last decade? Are they that broke?
So rich they have frozen lines, are getting poached by Harvard, and can't poach any top senior person to make up for the losses. They're a very underfunded department. There was a whole thread about it already...
I guess this depends on whether you're a grad student looking for training and placement or a faculty member looking for a job.
If you're hunting for a job, a rich private school is tough to turn down. We saw that last year.
A buddy of mine works for boka restaurant group here in Chicago and I had a chance to eat at their flagship restaurant last night. It has a Micheline Star. One of the group's employees stood at our table for at least five minutes making small talk about who had, was getting, and did and didn't deserve X number of Micheline Stars.
I learned zero about any of the restaurants, couldn't have cared less about their inner circle status game, and got annoyed eventually. It really made it clear for me what SJMR must look like from the outside. I think rankings are important, but in moderation.
Yawn. Quit crying about department talk on a job market forum, Chicago troll. Go to Reddit if you just want to make racist threads 24/7...
Why do people on this board spend so much time talking about which top-10 or top-15 departments are on the decline and on the upswing? I've been a sociologist long enough (15 years) to know that these things ebb and flow over time. Princeton loses a couple people, then a few years later, gains a couple big names. They all do it.
The short-term focus on status and position is destructive, in my view. Trust me in saying that the search committee doesn't care if your department is down four spots this year when they're deciding about whether to bring you in for an interview. Seriously.
Departments will try to steal good people away from somewhere else-- we all want to surround ourselves with brilliant and productive colleagues-- but the folks I know are not wasting time worrying about moving up one or two spots (or down) in the rankings. Neither are the administrators. The only people who seem to care are anxiety-ridden graduate students who want to believe their department is on the upswing and that it will enhance their job market prospects. It simply won't. Focus on doing high-quality work (something you can control) and stop wasting your time worrying about which department "is more on the decline."
Not a Chicago troll. Have never lived nor worked in Chicago. Just tired of all the status games on here, as I'm sure many are. I'm not saying status doesn't matter-- just that it seems to occupy so much space.
Yawn. Quit crying about department talk on a job market forum, Chicago troll. Go to Reddit if you just want to make racist threads 24/7...
Why do people on this board spend so much time talking about which top-10 or top-15 departments are on the decline and on the upswing? I've been a sociologist long enough (15 years) to know that these things ebb and flow over time. Princeton loses a couple people, then a few years later, gains a couple big names. They all do it.
The short-term focus on status and position is destructive, in my view. Trust me in saying that the search committee doesn't care if your department is down four spots this year when they're deciding about whether to bring you in for an interview. Seriously.
Departments will try to steal good people away from somewhere else-- we all want to surround ourselves with brilliant and productive colleagues-- but the folks I know are not wasting time worrying about moving up one or two spots (or down) in the rankings. Neither are the administrators. The only people who seem to care are anxiety-ridden graduate students who want to believe their department is on the upswing and that it will enhance their job market prospects. It simply won't. Focus on doing high-quality work (something you can control) and stop wasting your time worrying about which department "is more on the decline."
You're so obvious. If anything is repetitive here, are your tired racist threads. They've bored everyone to death.
But, anyhow, this is a job market forum. Department talk is going to happen and should happen here. f**k off to Reddit, if you don't like it. No one here will miss your racist idiocies...
Not a Chicago troll. Have never lived nor worked in Chicago. Just tired of all the status games on here, as I'm sure many are. I'm not saying status doesn't matter-- just that it seems to occupy so much space.
Yawn. Quit crying about department talk on a job market forum, Chicago troll. Go to Reddit if you just want to make racist threads 24/7...
Why do people on this board spend so much time talking about which top-10 or top-15 departments are on the decline and on the upswing? I've been a sociologist long enough (15 years) to know that these things ebb and flow over time. Princeton loses a couple people, then a few years later, gains a couple big names. They all do it.
The short-term focus on status and position is destructive, in my view. Trust me in saying that the search committee doesn't care if your department is down four spots this year when they're deciding about whether to bring you in for an interview. Seriously.
Departments will try to steal good people away from somewhere else-- we all want to surround ourselves with brilliant and productive colleagues-- but the folks I know are not wasting time worrying about moving up one or two spots (or down) in the rankings. Neither are the administrators. The only people who seem to care are anxiety-ridden graduate students who want to believe their department is on the upswing and that it will enhance their job market prospects. It simply won't. Focus on doing high-quality work (something you can control) and stop wasting your time worrying about which department "is more on the decline."