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Sociologist
1472

Confession: I love finding out about who got flyouts and where. And I love reading about who got job offers. When I was on the job market I ate that stuff up on the daily. It's one of the weird reasons I keep coming back here even though I have a job I like. I find it motivating.

But I think we started a helpful practice last year that I feel would be good to keep movin forward. When we find out about flyouts and list names on the wiki, we only list ABDs and postdocs. Don't list APs. You could potentially hurt their standing in their department. Everyone else is fair game as far as flyouts go. And when APs actually take a job somewhere else, then you get to name them. Agreed?

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Sociologist
f8ce

You don't need to worry about that because it doesn't look like anybody is in any hurry to be naming anyone this year.

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Sociologist
861f

You don't need to worry about that because it doesn't look like anybody is in any hurry to be naming anyone this year.

I just think schools are only know starting to move

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Sociologist
aa4e

I think the OP's proposal is an extremely humane one, and am glad (for our field) to see we can think about each other in such thoughtful ways. I truly hope the proposal gains support - both for its substance but also what it indicates as an index of our profession.

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Sociologist
f8ce

I think the OP's proposal is an extremely humane one, and am glad (for our field) to see we can think about each other in such thoughtful ways. I truly hope the proposal gains support - both for its substance but also what it indicates as an index of our profession.

What he is "proposing" has been the accepted practice on this board since last job market season.

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Sociologist
886f

Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?

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Sociologist
9f9c

[insert bs rationale for why being named on SJMR is okay for abds to justify being nosey]

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Sociologist
19d5

Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?

+1

4 years ago # QUOTE 2 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !
beakman
Rep: 310

Thanks OP for sharing your thoughts. As others have mentioned, not naming AP's is one of SJMR's basic rules. It worked well last year. People would just write "John Remy, Mary Johnson and 2 AP's" when posting who got job market talks.

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Sociologist
8c48

Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?

ummm...negotiating power goes up with multiple offers/flyouts.

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Sociologist
572d

For the elite jobs, sure. For teaching-oriented or otherwise resource-scarce places, they might give up on a candidate who is getting lots of action elsewhere. My department would figure it's a lost cause as soon as a candidate has a couple of other interviews. It's defeatist, but it happens.

Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?
ummm...negotiating power goes up with multiple offers/flyouts.

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Sociologist
dc69

Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?
+1

+2

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Sociologist
8c48

For the elite jobs, sure. For teaching-oriented or otherwise resource-scarce places, they might give up on a candidate who is getting lots of action elsewhere. My department would figure it's a lost cause as soon as a candidate has a couple of other interviews. It's defeatist, but it happens.
Isn't naming names always potentially harmful to candidates? I don't see why it should be acceptable for ABDs. If someone is applying to multiple positions, won't their negotiating power decrease if they are outed on this board? Especially if they end up not getting an offer?
ummm...negotiating power goes up with multiple offers/flyouts.

but wouldn't the candidate have those other flyouts anyway? and will probably still spurn you?

so, if your department has this defeatist idea, it actually HELPS you to have names named.

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Sociologist
ca7d

I think 572d is thinking of cases where a candidate is on the cusp of being a star, gets some flyouts at top R1 places. She is judged insufficiently star-ish to get an offer from the top R1 place but based on SJMR the not-so-top R1 places judges her as out-of-reach.

I'm not sure how plausible this is but I'd be curious what other people think.

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VLMR
Rep: 110

You know what they say:

You can't become a JM star without SJMR!

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Sociologist
861f

Naming ABDs and postdocs is one of the reasons why this board exists since the proboards one won't allow it

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