The other point that is a bit off is that the job market is a total top-25 caste--system.
Many directionals don't want some ivy super-quantoid at all. They want a professor that can relate to their students, and not be threatening to fellow faculty members.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
I understand this is a tempting scapegoat, but this is not a sociology-specific problem at all.
Directionals are like this across most all fields. Their mission and identity are about educating middle of the road and first gen students and being enthusiastic about the underdog organization. They hire and promote according to who is good at doing this. It is a skill set and personality very different from an ego-centric researcher.
Isn't you post a grievance?
^and are basically populated by a bunch of arzoles who are inadequate in terms of training their students in anything other than grievance and woke platitudes
Seems more like an observation. It's not a grievance until you start giving other people hell about it and/or trying to change it in ways that are oppositional to others.
I would say that calling people "a bunch of arzoles who are inadequate..." meets your criteria.
Isn't you post a grievance?
^and are basically populated by a bunch of arzoles who are inadequate in terms of training their students in anything other than grievance and woke platitudes
Seems more like an observation. It's not a grievance until you start giving other people hell about it and/or trying to change it in ways that are oppositional to others.
This is an amusing evolution on SJMR:
The former popular discussions--I would never take a non-metropolitan <R2--have evolved into I am bitter of not being able to get a job at Nameless University. And that's so unfair...the people their are big meanies that are destroying the field....
This is an amusing evolution on SJMR:
The former popular discussions--I would never take a non-metropolitan <R2--have evolved into I am bitter of not being able to get a job at Nameless University. And that's so unfair...the people their are big meanies that are destroying the field....
Seems very consistent with the field's usual battlelines. Former ASA president remarked to me once how frustrating it is to see the same fights and blame-games play out year after year, where folks at non-elite places put all the blame on pretentious elite tastemakers. Said tastemakers point the finger at losers at directionals and community colleges.
*people they perceive to be losers. I don't endorse that.
If you want to change how people do sociology, work through the ASA. If it's too frustrating, then be content to practice sociology and you think it should be done and attract students sympathetic to that way of doing it.
The other point that is a bit off is that the job market is a total top-25 caste--system.
Many directionals don't want some ivy super-quantoid at all. They want a professor that can relate to their students, and not be threatening to fellow faculty members.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
this has been the opposite of my experience. I'm from an unranked program and jobs I have applied for at directionals have almost always gone to people with, on paper, weaker records and more prestige.
here's someone from penn state at sw missouri state: https://sociology.missouristate.edu/KShermanWilkins.aspx
Vanderbilt at northern colorado: https://www.unco.edu/hss/sociology/about/faculty/harmony-newman.aspx
Ohio st at Boise st:
https://www.boisestate.edu/sociology/rebecca-cv-2019/
etc etc. There are dozens of these.
Although low-status directionals probably don't typically hire from Harvard and Yale, they tend to hire from the "better" programs that are outside of the Ivies.
I'm not saying that these people don't deserve their jobs, all I am saying is that it's probably not true that low status programs are fast-tracking other low status actors. They'll pass over Central Michigan to get to Penn State.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
Nah, you kids don’t understand the LRM culture at all. When these departments pass on HRM candidates, it has nothing at all to do with “anti-merit”. It’s because they’ve been burnt before by offers declined, or even worse—offers accepted, then the candidate never shows up, or leaves for another job the next year.
This is an amusing evolution on SJMR:
The former popular discussions--I would never take a non-metropolitan <R2--have evolved into I am bitter of not being able to get a job at Nameless University. And that's so unfair...the people their are big meanies that are destroying the field....
Ahh, fond memories of 2015 where if you didn't get the NYU job you might as well quit academia and go sell mustard at the flea market.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
Nah, you kids don�t understand the LRM culture at all. When these departments pass on HRM candidates, it has nothing at all to do with �anti-merit�. It�s because they�ve been burnt before by offers declined, or even worse�offers accepted, then the candidate never shows up, or leaves for another job the next year.
Yep. It's not that LRMs don't necessarily want someone from a top 5 program, it's just those people aren't sticking around unless they're from the area, and that's if they even accept the offer in the first place. So the top 5 JMC gets passed up in favor of the decent Michigan State ABD who probably isn't going to and likely doesn't have the vita to leave.
^There's been an academic caste system for a long time. OP is just trying to get us all to rehash the same status anxious convos that were 80% of SJMR in the old days. There's really nothing new to be said on the subject.
I hear you. But aren't things getting worse? A caste system is unfair by definition, but for it to be sustainable, those in the middle and lower castes need to be able to make a living. If 60-80 percent of PhDs graduating from MRMs and LRMs who intend to pursue a career in academia can't land a job even in a middle-of-nowhere lib arts college, something's gonna break.
The other point that is a bit off is that the job market is a total top-25 caste--system.
Many directionals don't want some ivy super-quantoid at all. They want a professor that can relate to their students, and not be threatening to fellow faculty members.
This is huge, and a major problem with the field. Many lower status departments have anti-merit sensibilities. Oppositional cultures.
this has been the opposite of my experience. I'm from an unranked program and jobs I have applied for at directionals have almost always gone to people with, on paper, weaker records and more prestige.
here's someone from penn state at sw missouri state: https://sociology.missouristate.edu/KShermanWilkins.aspx
Vanderbilt at northern colorado: https://www.unco.edu/hss/sociology/about/faculty/harmony-newman.aspx
Ohio st at Boise st:
https://www.boisestate.edu/sociology/rebecca-cv-2019/
etc etc. There are dozens of these.
Although low-status directionals probably don't typically hire from Harvard and Yale, they tend to hire from the "better" programs that are outside of the Ivies.
I'm not saying that these people don't deserve their jobs, all I am saying is that it's probably not true that low status programs are fast-tracking other low status actors. They'll pass over Central Michigan to get to Penn State.
Dang that psu guy's cv is thinnnnnnn. *One* first author pub in his whole life, in "Geriatrics," whatever that is. And that's four years into his job. I'm guessing he's a nice gay black guy who focuses on teaching?