We?re talking about rac/ial groups? performance on tests. It always results in the same asn/wht/hisp/blk ran/king. This is a social fact. Deal with it.
And nobody here is unaware of it. It�s treated as a premier for some of the most annoying, whiny, SJW woke Sociology of race and ethnicity. All over the Soc of education. We dealt with it long before you read CM. Get over it.
I know, the tests are so unfair! Every single one of them!
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
Yeah! That's how we know ra/cial categories are real! People from the same ra/cial ca/tegories, but different backgrounds, systemati/cally score differently. Am I doing this right? Oh wait, that might indicate that it is social backgrounds which matter.
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
Yeah! That's how we know ra/cial categories are real! People from the same ra/cial ca/tegories, but different backgrounds, systemati/cally score differently. Am I doing this right? Oh wait, that might indicate that it is social backgrounds which matter.
Social backgrounds like coming from a culture that supports doing well in school and studying for the test? No doubt that is important. No one denies this.
Social backgrounds like coming from a culture that supports doing well in school and studying for the test? No doubt that is important. No one denies this.
Right. This is the piece that is probably true but that soc won't touch. Instead, they end up straw-manning some genetic nonsense or shouting "RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!" over and over.
Social backgrounds like coming from a culture that supports doing well in school and studying for the test? No doubt that is important. No one denies this.
Right. This is the piece that is probably true but that soc won't touch. Instead, they end up straw-manning some genetic nonsense or shouting "RACE IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!" over and over.
Have any of you taught courses on social stratification or r/e or topics tangentially related to those two? The culture bit is absolutely debated in the lit with a lot of nuance. Mur/ray's bs bio ra/ce realism style argument is what's rejected.
We?re talking about rac/ial groups? performance on tests. It always results in the same asn/wht/hisp/blk ran/king. This is a social fact. Deal with it.
And nobody here is unaware of it. It?s treated as a premier for some of the most annoying, whiny, SJW woke Sociology of race and ethnicity. All over the Soc of education. We dealt with it long before you read CM. Get over it.
I know, the tests are so unfair! Every single one of them!
Erm...no.. bias in exams explains a very small amount, if any, of the observed variance.
You should at least read a few abstracts before attempting to parody them :-/
We dealt with it long before you read CM.
Dealt with it? How? By blaming it on "whiteness" or "rac//ism"? By hand-waving it away? By shouting "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!" into the void?
First, calm down. It's just a little web forum.
You should be able to answer your question. If you can't, then you do not have an informed opinion about the sociology of race and ethnicity. Accordingly, none of us should take your critiques seriously.
Not because we disagree in conclusions. But because your are poorly informed.
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
By pretending the bulk of the research on this is about exam bias, an observation more prominent in fields other than sociology, is embarassing. If I were you, I would read a bit, then come back in a few days and start a new thread pretending to be someone else.
There actually is good work challenging sociological groupthink on race and ethnicity. It's just lightyears ahead of you (no, not John McWhorter).
We dealt with it long before you read CM.
Dealt with it? How? By blaming it on "whiteness" or "rac//ism"? By hand-waving it away? By shouting "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!" into the void?
First, calm down. It's just a little web forum.
You should be able to answer your question. If you can't, then you do not have an informed opinion about the sociology of race and ethnicity. Accordingly, none of us should take your critiques seriously.
Not because we disagree in conclusions. But because your are poorly informed.
You have any relevant cites?
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
Yeah! That's how we know ra/cial categories are real! People from the same ra/cial ca/tegories, but different backgrounds, systemati/cally score differently. Am I doing this right? Oh wait, that might indicate that it is social backgrounds which matter.
By the way, what happened to "racism is real or its a social construct?" That got demolished, LOL. No rescue?
Cool.
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
This is certainly a step above the embar/rassing suggestion that it's primarily blamed on biased exams. But African Americans compared to African migrants has been discussed at length here. I'm a migration scholar, and this is quite big in imported capital literature.
Try again.
We dealt with it long before you read CM.
Dealt with it? How? By blaming it on "whiteness" or "rac//ism"? By hand-waving it away? By shouting "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!" into the void?
First, calm down. It's just a little web forum.
You should be able to answer your question. If you can't, then you do not have an informed opinion about the sociology of race and ethnicity. Accordingly, none of us should take your critiques seriously.
Not because we disagree in conclusions. But because your are poorly informed.
You have any relevant cites?
That's what I am asking you for. Since you're ridiculing the sociological perspectives on this, tell us what they actually are. Hint: not Kendi. Only sociologists are sociologists ;-)
We dealt with it long before you read CM.
Dealt with it? How? By blaming it on "whiteness" or "rac//ism"? By hand-waving it away? By shouting "IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT!" into the void?
First, calm down. It's just a little web forum.
You should be able to answer your question. If you can't, then you do not have an informed opinion about the sociology of race and ethnicity. Accordingly, none of us should take your critiques seriously.
Not because we disagree in conclusions. But because your are poorly informed.
You have any relevant cites?
That's what I am asking you for. Since you're ridiculing the sociological perspectives on this, tell us what they actually are. Hint: not Kendi. Only sociologists are sociologists ;-)
Huh? I’m not ridiculing sociology. I am one. Try to focus.
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
This is certainly a step above the embar/rassing suggestion that it's primarily blamed on biased exams. But African Americans compared to African migrants has been discussed at length here. I'm a migration scholar, and this is quite big in imported capital literature.
Try again.
The success of blk immigrants kind of makes that whole wht sup/remacy argument look rid/ic, though, doesn't it?
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
This is certainly a step above the embar/rassing suggestion that it's primarily blamed on biased exams. But African Americans compared to African migrants has been discussed at length here. I'm a migration scholar, and this is quite big in imported capital literature.
Try again.
The success of blk immigrants kind of makes that whole wht sup/remacy argument look rid/ic, though, doesn't it?
And this is how we know you're not a sociologist.
Not because you disagree with the concept of white supremacy. Not because you have heterodox views on post Hart-Cellar migrants compared to historic US minorities. But the strength that you frame this with betrays a very basic lack of understanding of where the field it; an actual sociologist could certainly disagree, but they would know better than this.
Without Google, how do sociologists account for this, and who do they typically cite?
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
This is certainly a step above the embar/rassing suggestion that it's primarily blamed on biased exams. But African Americans compared to African migrants has been discussed at length here. I'm a migration scholar, and this is quite big in imported capital literature.
Try again.
The success of blk immigrants kind of makes that whole wht sup/remacy argument look rid/ic, though, doesn't it?
And this is how we know you're not a sociologist.
Not because you disagree with the concept of white supremacy. Not because you have heterodox views on post Hart-Cellar migrants compared to historic US minorities. But the strength that you frame this with betrays a very basic lack of understanding of where the field it; an actual sociologist could certainly disagree, but they would know better than this.
Without Google, how do sociologists account for this, and who do they typically cite?
Every single test has exactly the same bias, so that the rankings by race are the same on every single one. So devious.
It was especially clever to make the asns come out on top, so as to cover up the wht sup/remacy!
Even more clever to let the blk immigrants get high scores!
This is certainly a step above the embar/rassing suggestion that it's primarily blamed on biased exams. But African Americans compared to African migrants has been discussed at length here. I'm a migration scholar, and this is quite big in imported capital literature.
Try again.
The success of blk immigrants kind of makes that whole wht sup/remacy argument look rid/ic, though, doesn't it?
And this is how we know you're not a sociologist.
Not because you disagree with the concept of white supremacy. Not because you have heterodox views on post Hart-Cellar migrants compared to historic US minorities. But the strength that you frame this with betrays a very basic lack of understanding of where the field it; an actual sociologist could certainly disagree, but they would know better than this.
Without Google, how do sociologists account for this, and who do they typically cite?