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Sociologist
24d4

Without a Trump indictment the Democratic Party may have to actually develop a viable platform for hard times and a coherent message that gives desperate people a concrete vision of a better future.

Putting all your eggs in this Russia show was not a good idea. It may take awhile, even a few months, for the disbelief to fade. But it may be too late to convince voters that we have something more to offer than a paler Obama, himself just a hipper, more articulate, and slightly better Bush (corporate lapdog Bush).

If the Democratic Party doesn’t finally (re?)enter social democratic terrain, that party will die with boomers.

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Sociologist
5a1b

I don't think that anyone other than you believes that Dems put all their eggs in the Mueller basket

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Sociologist
24d4

I suppose Beto will do the trick then?

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outkast
Rep: -833

that there is a bun with no meat. even the Communist News Network can't deny things are looking good for OrangeMan

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Sociologist
12bc

outkast: providing idiotic takes since 2011.

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Sociologist
7470

Democrats have a lot of talented people running, and they smell the blood of a weak and wounded president. Mueller report will only hurt him more.

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outkast
Rep: -833

apparently you require spoon-feeding:

https://youtu.be/nC9v1_BsNwg

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Sociologist
12bc

apparently you don't realize how deep your idiocy runs

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Sociologist
09f3

I agree with the OP. If the democratic nominee does not provide a visionary future, Trump will be re-elected. The economy is also doing well.

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Sociologist
7470

The “it’s the economy, stupid” mantra is misguided. People dont rank econ as a key issue unless it is floundering, and the economy is buzzing along basically as it has been for the last 4 years or so (which didn’t help the incumbent party in 2016).

Fact that Trump is so unpopular even when the economy is good tells you a lot about how weak he is politically.

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Sociologist
fe48

“I don't think that anyone other than you believes that Dems put all their eggs in the Mueller basket”

Aside from the Bernie and AOC phenomena, a trend the DNC will fight against for decades or co-opt (eg, Beto’s “public option” will undermine single payer), what other baskets have the Dems put their eggs in?

Concrete examples would be helpful because to me it looks like Dems haven’t stopped to reflect on why they lost (beyond those damned Russians) and what they can do about it (aside from oppose everything associated with Trump).

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Sociologist
6f50

The Russia conspiracy narrative was always basically the Democrats' version of birtherism, and amounted to attacking Trump from the right. Only a handful of out-of-touch boomers who spend all their time watching MSNBC and deliberately avoiding any analysis with nuance care about Russia as a "threat."

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Sociologist
09f3

^7470 The “it’s the economy, stupid” mantra is misguided ---

Check out the CNN poll, page 9.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/03/19/rel4b.-.2020.pdf

QN: In your own words, please tell me what ONE ISSUE will be most important to you in deciding whom to support in next year’s presidential election

Immigration - 20% (Divisive issue? )
Economy - 16%
Candidate attributes - 11% (May vary I think)
Healthcare - 8%
Ideology - 6%
Candidate specific - 6% (Anti trump - 3% and pro trump -2%)
Rights/Identity - 5%
Govt. spending - 5%
Foreign affairs - 4%
Environment - 4%
Guns - 3%
Education -2%
Abortion- 2%
Govt. Management-2%
Senior issues - 2%
Voting issues - 1%
Other domestic (Marijuana, Criminal justice reform, campaign finance) - 4%
None- 1%
Other - 10%
DK/NoOpinion/Refused - 7%

I think, "it's the economy, stupid." At least it feels like the economy is the one issue where there will be bi-partisan support. Other important issues such as immigration (I think it is important), will not be successful in getting a broad mandate.

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Sociologist
09f3

^^ (OPEN-END, MULTIPLE RESPONSES ACCEPTED)

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Sociologist
7470

Lol at comparing Russia to birthirism. That was a completely insane and idiotic conspiracy theory. This was something inside the realm of possibility that actually is supported by real evidence (e.g. Trump Tower meeting), was on the radar of FBI and other agencies, forced appointment of special council, and led to indictments. Not to mention that we haven’t seen the report yet so a little early to call it a nothing burger.

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outkast
Rep: -833

Chris matthews melting down

https://youtu.be/IkbRvpIMwoM

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Sociologist
5a1b

How can we know whether Democrats have reflected on why we lost in 2016 until intraparty discourse in the primary season actually begins? Party leaders are NOT going to speak publicly about how they f**ked up. It's moronic to expect that. It remains to be seen whether the rank-and-file of the Democratic Party has thought about what it will take to beat Trump. We'll start getting an idea of that in the coming months.

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Sociologist
24d4

“How can we know whether Democrats have reflected on why we lost in 2016 until intraparty discourse in the primary season actually begins?”

Picking Perez and Pelosi = status quo.

They will lose.

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Sociologist
09f3

How can we know whether Democrats have reflected on why we lost in 2016 until intraparty discourse in the primary season actually begins?

When Republican Party lost, we heard a lot about their reflections, especially about changing demographics. But then, the rise of Trump, also means that no-one can predict this s**t. He went the other extreme and still won.

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Sociologist
385c

The Mueller investigation is complete and this is a simple fact that will never go away: not one single American was charged, indicted or convicted for conspiring with Russia to influence the 2016 election - not even a low-level volunteer. The number is zero.

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