Is it more than a feeling? Evidence?
It feels like sociology is collapsing, certainly the ASA
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The postwar bloat will so go away with the bursting of the education bubble. Sociology will go on.
This seems like a rational logical claim, so in contemporary sociology, are you even allowed to say these sorts of things? Maybe reframe it, "We got woke and then got cancelled, because we spoke truth to power."
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I think the "choose your own adventure" style of doing science and judging merit has really enhanced sociology's credibility.
If the outrage machines say that intersectionality is a theory, go to #32. If the outrage machines say that DuBois is better than Weber, got to #4. If the outrage machines say that DuBois is a genius, and is even better than Durkheim and Weber and Marx all added together (and secretly kind of a 'JESUS'), then go to #43. If you are wondering why any discipline would center these questions in the middle of a pandemic and climate crisis, go to #0, THE END.
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meh, there is no evidence it is "collapsing." sociology just has much slower growth than other fields. it is stagnant and will remain a field that lacks prestige & respect...and that is mostly its own fault.
Not if DuBois rises from the grave and forgives the Great Whitey his sins.
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Does anybody know the relative number of sociologists who are and are not in the ASA? Membership in the association may be down even though the number of employed sociologists and graduate students is not. Anybody know?
Plenty of employed sociologists have moved onto non-sociology departments and do not participate in ASA. It's hard to consider those that have moved outside of the core departments sociologists, even if they are doing sociology. The reality is that the collapse is real. When sociology departments increasingly have to compete on an interdisciplinary market they will no longer have an organizational imperative to exist anymore. People will always do sociology. It will however, cease to being called sociology at some point in the future...and it's not as far off as you might think.
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Does anybody know the relative number of sociologists who are and are not in the ASA? Membership in the association may be down even though the number of employed sociologists and graduate students is not. Anybody know?
Plenty of employed sociologists have moved onto non-sociology departments and do not participate in ASA. It's hard to consider those that have moved outside of the core departments sociologists, even if they are doing sociology. The reality is that the collapse is real. When sociology departments increasingly have to compete on an interdisciplinary market they will no longer have an organizational imperative to exist anymore. People will always do sociology. It will however, cease to being called sociology at some point in the future...and it's not as far off as you might think.
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I am a sociologist in a sociology department and am not a member of ASA. Why should I be? Sociology!=ASA. ASA has been nutty for years. It will survive but not thrive. Sociology will be fine. Its future is brighter than ASA’s because there are plenty of reasonable people in the silent majority who are more active in GSA, PAA, etc.
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I am a sociologist in a sociology department and am not a member of ASA. Why should I be? Sociology!=ASA. ASA has been nutty for years. It will survive but not thrive. Sociology will be fine. Its future is brighter than ASA�s because there are plenty of reasonable people in the silent majority who are more active in GSA, PAA, etc.
Is this a joke?
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We are really good at "but somehow" logic. Of course, the modal conclusion would be that a crisis with the ASA implies structural problems for the discipline. BUT SOMEHOW...there is no association. The ASA journals folding would mean nothing?
but somehow!=logic.
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Every super hero needs his theme music.
I think the "choose your own adventure" style of doing science and judging merit has really enhanced sociology's credibility.
If the outrage machines say that intersectionality is a theory, go to #32. If the outrage machines say that DuBois is better than Weber, got to #4. If the outrage machines say that DuBois is a genius, and is even better than Durkheim and Weber and Marx all added together (and secretly kind of a 'JESUS'), then go to #43. If you are wondering why any discipline would center these questions in the middle of a pandemic and climate crisis, go to #0, THE END. -
Maybe reframe it, "We got woke and then got cancelled, because we spoke truth to power."
More like wokespeak is a dialect imposed openly by structural power, but then a populist workers' revolt ensued and is in process of slowly clawing back its own resources from the wokeist parasites.
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Aren�t all professional organizations down in membership?
Since COVID, of course, but the ASA trend preceded 2020, and we are looking at the lowest membership numbers for decades. Also, not the only data point.