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1. Sociologist
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   Tufts actually grants PhDs in quite a few science fields. They seem to be trying to move from in-between school to R1. I know at least one department is thinking of dramatically increasing lectures sizes in order to lower the teaching load.

   Dartmouth, Tufts, Emory are more R1s than LAC, in terms of everything (research expectation, teaching loads, department cultures)
   Dartmouth and Tufts were included in my (non-comprehensive) list because of the lack of PhD program. And at the undergrad level, they also definitely have more of a size and feel to a SLAC than a R1. But, you're right that they're definitely closer to the R1 side the of the spectrum.

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2. Sociologist
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   SLACS are prissy though, so the main drawback is entitled, wealthy, demanding undergrads, likely a lot of undergradcentric service like student clubs, honors theses, independent studies, and an admin that really pushes faculty to meet the demands of the special snowflake undergrads. Better salaries and better research culture than regional public teaching schools though. I would take an R2 or a low rank R1 over a SLAC though for the reasons that I mention.

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3. Sociologist
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   SLACS are prissy though, so the main drawback is entitled, wealthy, demanding undergrads, likely a lot of undergradcentric service like student clubs, honors theses, independent studies, and an admin that really pushes faculty to meet the demands of the special snowflake undergrads. Better salaries and better research culture than regional public teaching schools though. I would take an R2 or a low rank R1 over a SLAC though for the reasons that I mention.

   But these are...not SLACs, hence the whole point of the question. This small group of schools are not quite R1s, but also not quite SLACs...your last sentence literally almost summarizes the exact reason and purpose of the original post.

   So, given what you've said in your post, what would be your take on this group of "in-between" type of school?

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4. Sociologist
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   Under the current Carnegie Classification, Brandeis, Case Western, Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts are all R1 universities.

   Not sure what it means to say they are "not quite" R1s.

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5. Sociologist
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   Under the current Carnegie Classification, Brandeis, Case Western, Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts are all R1 universities.
   Not sure what it means to say they are "not quite" R1s.

   Well I didn't originally mention Brandeis, and put Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts into my "maybe" category.

   And obviously these schools are all officially designated as something; I am just artificially creating this certain group that has some unique characteristics which have been outlined by both myself and others who seemed to understand. Dartmouth is a lot less "R1-ish" than Harvard...Emory a lot less than Duke, Tufts a lot less than Yale, etc.

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6. Sociologist
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   Under the current Carnegie Classification, Brandeis, Case Western, Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts are all R1 universities.
   Not sure what it means to say they are "not quite" R1s.
   Well I didn't originally mention Brandeis, and put Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts into my "maybe" category.
   And obviously these schools are all officially designated as something; I am just artificially creating this certain group that has some unique characteristics which have been outlined by both myself and others who seemed to understand. Dartmouth is a lot less "R1-ish" than Harvard...Emory a lot less than Duke, Tufts a lot less than Yale, etc.

   How in God's name would you ever know that? You've worked at all of these places?

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7. Sociologist
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   Under the current Carnegie Classification, Brandeis, Case Western, Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts are all R1 universities.
   Not sure what it means to say they are "not quite" R1s.
   Well I didn't originally mention Brandeis, and put Dartmouth, Emory, and Tufts into my "maybe" category.
   And obviously these schools are all officially designated as something; I am just artificially creating this certain group that has some unique characteristics which have been outlined by both myself and others who seemed to understand. Dartmouth is a lot less "R1-ish" than Harvard...Emory a lot less than Duke, Tufts a lot less than Yale, etc.
   How in God's name would you ever know that? You've worked at all of these places?

   I know folks at most of the schools I originally mentioned; I also attended one as a student.

   Even if I didn't know that, and hadn't heard from them (and folks in this thread) that research expectations are a bit lower, objectively it is the case that the departments are smaller and there are no PhD students (except Emory). Those things make it pretty obvious that a school like Dartmouth is less "R1-ish" than Harvard, and I don't even think that's at all controversial to say? Do you really think the two are equivalent?

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