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1. Sociologist
   abe2
   

   You just made this accusation against two different people in the same thread.

   Yes, we can reliably tell when posters are "two different people" on SJMR. And its sensible to trust that the guy who is railing against diversity as "corporate" "identity politics" is not literally the same one screaming yt power and the n word.

   Most people think Phil Cohen is the one spamming hate speech here after his spam bots got thwarted.

   Yes, we see a poser make this claim made every now and then so its reasonable to proclaim that "most people think" its true

   1 year ago # QUOTE 0 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

2. Sociologist
   3f36
   

   This is true.

   However, the pandemic has already stripped the job of everything I liked about it: quality face-to-face teaching, student contact, overseas travel, (some kind of) collegiality, fieldwork, and the other part that I did like and that is still possible, i.e. writing, feels even more absurd than it did in the past. It's like several people have recently died in my university from the pandemic and I am looking forward to what, rehashing my data again, and that is what's meant to "keep me going"?

   For those of you stressing about getting one of the remaining jobs: I wish you could see the view from this side.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 7 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !

3. Sociologist
   297c
   

   This is true.
   However, the pandemic has already stripped the job of everything I liked about it: quality face-to-face teaching, student contact, overseas travel, (some kind of) collegiality, fieldwork, and the other part that I did like and that is still possible, i.e. writing, feels even more absurd than it did in the past. It's like several people have recently died in my university from the pandemic and I am looking forward to what, rehashing my data again, and that is what's meant to "keep me going"?
   For those of you stressing about getting one of the remaining jobs: I wish you could see the view from this side.

   Stop whi/ning. It's still a great job.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 9 GOOD 6 NO GOOD !

4. Sociologist
   bc03
   

   It is still a great job. For me personally, the past year and some months have completely drained me of any enthusiasm for doing research, though I still enjoy teaching. I'm not quite sure how to get that drive back.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 8 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

5. Sociologist
   297c
   

   The good news is that once you have tenure, you no longer have to crank out pointless research. Stay the course.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 3 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

6. Sociologist
   09ad
   

   See that's my point. You immediately assume I'm a whacko instead of even considering I may have a point. I'm probably just as leftwing as you, I'm just not an ideologue.

   This sloppy reasoning of identity politics will hurt the economic value of the field. It just isn't fact based enough to win in the long run.

   You're the same guy plastering the n word and yt power over lots of SJMR thread? Yes, very tight reasoning you have there...

   1 year ago # QUOTE 4 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

7. Sociologist
   09ad
   

   These are good points, but admittedly, many jobs have been worse due to covid.

   This is true.
   However, the pandemic has already stripped the job of everything I liked about it: quality face-to-face teaching, student contact, overseas travel, (some kind of) collegiality, fieldwork, and the other part that I did like and that is still possible, i.e. writing, feels even more absurd than it did in the past. It's like several people have recently died in my university from the pandemic and I am looking forward to what, rehashing my data again, and that is what's meant to "keep me going"?
   For those of you stressing about getting one of the remaining jobs: I wish you could see the view from this side.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 3 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

8. Sociologist
   297c
   

   The idpol types are not really left wing. They don't want to help the down-trodden masses. They don't want a worker's party.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 1 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !

9. Sociologist
   ae53
   

   The problem is that most professors have little to no clue about non-academic careers, and can't competently advise their students on those options. I was lucky that my committee was very supportive of me pursuing a non-academic job, but I had almost no (competent) guidance on how to position myself for those jobs or what types of opportunities were available. I stumbled into a great job that neither I nor my committee even knew existed until I found the ad on a non-sociology site, while my colleagues with professional degrees or doctorates in more applied fields had that kind of guidance all along.

   1 year ago # QUOTE 8 GOOD 2 NO GOOD !

10. Sociologist
    445d
    

    The problem is that most professors have little to no clue about non-academic careers, and can't competently advise their students on those options. I was lucky that my committee was very supportive of me pursuing a non-academic job, but I had almost no (competent) guidance on how to position myself for those jobs or what types of opportunities were available. I stumbled into a great job that neither I nor my committee even knew existed until I found the ad on a non-sociology site, while my colleagues with professional degrees or doctorates in more applied fields had that kind of guidance all along.

    Can you give us ABDs a hint on what kind of job it is, and what/where we should look? I'm ready to jump ship, but don't know how.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 4 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !

11. Sociologist
    ae53
    

    Well, for one start keeping tabs on federal and state jobs that relate at all to your area of expertise. There are the obvious Census jobs for demographers, but different agencies have various positions that may be interested in both qual and quant skills, if you have some basic knowledge of policy and ability to communicate to non-academics. Look for summer internships (start looking as many as 6 months beforehand), which often turn into full-time job offers.

    You won’t get rich in government jobs, but (for example) if you’re an ABD you can start a federal job as a GS-11 ($56k + locality adjustment (which can be substantial), plus great benefits, job security, and a 40-hour work week), with major increases in pay as you gain experience. GS-13 ($79k base + locality) should be pretty attainable for a PhD after a few years on the job. Not great for our level of education, admittedly, but better than the average academic job, and you can have an actual impact on policies and programs.

    There are plenty of non-government jobs too, but often they have less job security and work/life balance, and your job may eventually be dependent on your ability to get grants in some positions (e.g., big think tanks).

    1 year ago # QUOTE 10 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !

12. Sociologist
    1bca
    

    Look for UX research jobs at tech companies

    The problem is that most professors have little to no clue about non-academic careers, and can't competently advise their students on those options. I was lucky that my committee was very supportive of me pursuing a non-academic job, but I had almost no (competent) guidance on how to position myself for those jobs or what types of opportunities were available. I stumbled into a great job that neither I nor my committee even knew existed until I found the ad on a non-sociology site, while my colleagues with professional degrees or doctorates in more applied fields had that kind of guidance all along.
    Can you give us ABDs a hint on what kind of job it is, and what/where we should look? I'm ready to jump ship, but don't know how.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 5 GOOD 1 NO GOOD !

13. Sociologist
    c391
    

    Why fight tooth and nail for temporary gigs on the hope that the job market finally rewards you for all your hard work? Add to that the clearly worsening position of faculty, with little sign of positive change on the horizon.

    Look at non-academic postings, grads. You probably have all or nearly all of the qualifications for normal 40-hr great-wage jobs. Retool a bit while you have time, snag a couple good opportunities. And graduate with a job in hand in a matter of weeks, rather than the YEARS it took in normal times to get a faculty job.

    You don't have to turn yourself into a mental health train wreck for a dead job market.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 4 GOOD 1 NO GOOD !

14. Sociologist
    ce15
    

    Why fight tooth and nail for temporary gigs on the hope that the job market finally rewards you for all your hard work? Add to that the clearly worsening position of faculty, with little sign of positive change on the horizon.
    Look at non-academic postings, grads. You probably have all or nearly all of the qualifications for normal 40-hr great-wage jobs. Retool a bit while you have time, snag a couple good opportunities. And graduate with a job in hand in a matter of weeks, rather than the YEARS it took in normal times to get a faculty job.
    You don't have to turn yourself into a mental health train wreck for a dead job market.

    This is exactly right. As a faculty member, I struggle with the ethics of even mentoring graduate students toward academic/research jobs. It is really a grift.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 5 GOOD 3 NO GOOD !

15. Sociologist
    3f36
    

    I live far from friends and family in an awesome city and am here for the job, by and large.

    When the job satisfaction disappears, so does my only real reason to stay here.

    This is true.
    However, the pandemic has already stripped the job of everything I liked about it: quality face-to-face teaching, student contact, overseas travel, (some kind of) collegiality, fieldwork, and the other part that I did like and that is still possible, i.e. writing, feels even more absurd than it did in the past. It's like several people have recently died in my university from the pandemic and I am looking forward to what, rehashing my data again, and that is what's meant to "keep me going"?
    For those of you stressing about getting one of the remaining jobs: I wish you could see the view from this side.
    Stop whi/ning. It's still a great job.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 GOOD 1 NO GOOD !

16. Sociologist
    3592
    

    I think it’s fine to just view academia as one path. But it’s silly to go to grad school and even consider that as a primary option these days.

    1 year ago # QUOTE 2 GOOD 1 NO GOOD !

17. Sociologist
    c49a
    

    Well, for one start keeping tabs on federal and state jobs that relate at all to your area of expertise. There are the obvious Census jobs for demographers, but different agencies have various positions that may be interested in both qual and quant skills, if you have some basic knowledge of policy and ability to communicate to non-academics. Look for summer internships (start looking as many as 6 months beforehand), which often turn into full-time job offers.
    You won�t get rich in government jobs, but (for example) if you�re an ABD you can start a federal job as a GS-11 ($56k + locality adjustment (which can be substantial), plus great benefits, job security, and a 40-hour work week), with major increases in pay as you gain experience. GS-13 ($79k base + locality) should be pretty attainable for a PhD after a few years on the job. Not great for our level of education, admittedly, but better than the average academic job, and you can have an actual impact on policies and programs.
    There are plenty of non-government jobs too, but often they have less job security and work/life balance, and your job may eventually be dependent on your ability to get grants in some positions (e.g., big think tanks).

    If you gonna dream, dream big. Try tech/DS/consulting jobs, not government/non-profit jobs

    1 year ago # QUOTE 1 GOOD 0 NO GOOD !

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