How much of the support for Trump comes from people of German descent?
German-Americans and support for Trump
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No, I mean people of German descent.
It's an n of 1, but this article made me curious: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/15/politics/kinzinger-impeachment-family-letter/index.html
I also am interested about Italian-Americans, and why the grandchildren of immigrants (Arpaio in Arizona, Italian-Americans in Hazelton, PA) are so critical of newcomers.
White people don't really share the same interests. They don't all get together and hold hands when there are no minorities in the area.
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I think you're not really considering how long ago Germans and Italians migrated to the United States, and how white European immigrants in most areas mixed together rather than maintained separate ethnic communities. Numerous European groups faced discrimination upon first ar/riving in the United States, but over time they generally coalesced into a single white identity. White identity in the United States is more strongly divided along regional lines than along national ancestry lines; most white Americans in most regions would trace their descent to multiple European countries. In geographic terms, German is the most common national ancestry across most of the United States and the single most common ancestry reported overall to the US Census. "German-Americans" are hardly any sort of separate community at all and are really just the mainstream white culture of the United States, especially across the midwest, Pennsylvania, rural west, Florida, elsewhere.
White people in the counties that are predominantly German in ancestry (geographically most of the United States) supported Trump.
I haven't seen any type of political demographic breakdown by European nationality, but I doubt that could be possible since most white Americans have mixed descent from multiple European countries. -
I've seen interviews with self-identified Italian Americans in PA and NJ where they basically confessed they were hypocrites for not caring about newer immigrants. They still went on about how "newcomers should be legal," even when the interviewer pointed out that their ancestors faced ethnic intolerance (were not accepted as white by WASPs), and came in under much less restrictive immigration laws.
I think some people overestimate the extent to which white people share a common identity and interests. People are still very knowledgeable and proud of their ethnic or religious heritage. It's rare to hear someone self-identify as white, they're more likely to say they're "Irish-American" or something like quarter-Irish, quarter-Italian, and half-Greek. Even Census self-identifications reflect this.
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I think some people overestimate the extent to which white people share a common identity and interests. People are still very knowledgeable and proud of their ethnic or religious heritage. It's rare to hear someone self-identify as white, they're more likely to say they're "Irish-American" or something like quarter-Irish, quarter-Italian, and half-Greek. Even Census self-identifications reflect this.
I think people value/honor their heritage, but there are hardly separate actual national cultures in these specific terms anymore. Hardly anyone in the United States would still be, for example, pure-blooded Sicilian, and it's not like they're generally speaking languages other than English at home.
These national groups do not even really form discrete genomic clusters anymore, in most circumstances (some small unabsorbed white ethnic enclaves still exist in some urban areas, but these are not typical of the white population in general).This shows the population structure of white Americans, which is not necessarily generally defined by differences in nationality. White European immigrants tended to, in the vast majority of cases, be absorbed into separate regional white clusters that already existed before their ar/rival, which themselves were based on colonial-era migrations from different regions of England. The main exception is a separate "upper midwestern" cluster, which basically coalesced as a new ethnic cluster by the early 20th century from German/Scandinavian/other immigrants, and is the only major white ethnic cluster not coinciding with an "old stock" regional cluster. Otherwise, there are still a few unabsorbed Irish-American clusters in some major cities, as well as separated J/e/w/ish clusters, but Italian-Americans were so well-absorbed that they do not even really form a discrete ethnic cluster of their own at all in present America.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14238I don't see "hypocrisy" exactly in Italian-Americans generally following what they perceive as their own socioeconomic interests in the United States, which would vary at different points in time. Liberal immigration policy enforcing mass migration creates numerous socioeconomic problems for working class people in many historical circumstances, generally regardless of race.
Most black Americans also oppose a liberal immigration policy. A majority of black Americans support more restrictive immigration policies
and express negative views about undocumented immigrants (Nteta 2014). The more politically marginalized black Americans feel, the more likely they are to express opposition to mass immigration (Wilkinson 2016). Do you think this means black people collectively are also "hypocrites" because of their historical experience of discrimination?"It's rare to hear someone self identify as white"
Well yeah, people might become reluctant to publicly associate with an identity when the name of that racial identity is commonly wielded like a slur. -
I think some people overestimate the extent to which white people share a common identity and interests. People are still very knowledgeable and proud of their ethnic or religious heritage. It's rare to hear someone self-identify as white, they're more likely to say they're "Irish-American" or something like quarter-Irish, quarter-Italian, and half-Greek. Even Census self-identifications reflect this.
Symbolic ethnicity is a weak IV though. Those feelings don’t run very deep for most whytes.
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I've seen interviews with self-identified Italian Americans in PA and NJ where they basically confessed they were hypocrites for not caring about newer immigrants. They still went on about how "newcomers should be legal," even when the interviewer pointed out that their ancestors faced ethnic intolerance (were not accepted as white by WASPs), and came in under much less restrictive immigration laws.
I think some people overestimate the extent to which white people share a common identity and interests. People are still very knowledgeable and proud of their ethnic or religious heritage. It's rare to hear someone self-identify as white, they're more likely to say they're "Irish-American" or something like quarter-Irish, quarter-Italian, and half-Greek. Even Census self-identifications reflect this.Africa begins at Rome.
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/trump-and-the-white-vote
German +18 Trump
Italian +11 Trump
English +6 Trump
Irish +1 Trumphttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dCU7Y9HoWxo/V4z5LtWJVII/AAAAAAAA2kc/W14tjpgduPwcLS9A9E4Yd3YKZ8gnh2VigCLcB/s1600/Ethnic_NA.jpg
Political divisions among whites still break down primarily according to region; national ancestry happens in some cases to be associated with migration patterns to certain regions, but there isn't, for example a strong sense of "German-Americanism" as such backing Trump, nor any strong German-American identity. Whatever region you're in in the United States, white people tend to culturally resemble the other white people around them, unless they recently moved to that area. Within any specific state I doubt you would see a significant difference in voting patterns between people listing their predominant ancestry as German or as Irish, if they lived in the same area for many generations.
Biden won the white vote by 28% in Massachusetts. Irish are the largest white ancestry group in Massachusetts. To balance that out nationally to Trump +1%, whites who would identify their heritage as predominantly Irish outside several very Democratic-leaning states would have probably voted heavily Trump similar to the German, Italian categories listed above. -
The core regional cultural differences, influencing modern voting patterns, were already generally established before mass non-English immigration happened, according to Fischer.
Yeah, I dont buy that. Trump is not particularly culturally conservative, in fact quite the opposite
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The core regional cultural differences, influencing modern voting patterns, were already generally established before mass non-English immigration happened, according to Fischer.
Yeah, I dont buy that. Trump is not particularly culturally conservative, in fact quite the oppositeI don't understand what point you're trying to make. Trump's coalition was somewhat different than previous Republican candidates but not overwhelmingly different. The main difference was pulling in more blue-collar whites in the upper midwest who had voted for Obama.
Trump as president had nearly universal support among white evangelical Republicans.
Even after the Capitol riot, 87% of Republicans still expressed support for Trump:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-trump-approval-remains-stable-republicans-unmoved-after-capitol-violence-n1254457
