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b5bf

You must not understand the difference between using existing data sets to identify new mechanisms and expand out theoretical understanding of a particular phenomenon (e.g. segregation) and using the same data set to estimate odds ratio (any 2nd year grad student should be able to do that), while recycling the same literature in all of your work.

Also stu-pid point. That's no different than anything else. There are tons of studies on segregation. They use the same data sets. They same the same thing. Wow look at how much segregation there is. Segregation matters for XYZ. But I guess that belongs in a Top department and not colorism? Lol
the critique is not just about whether he collected original data or not. The critique is that he has used the SAME data over and over to come up with the same conclusion: Skin color matters. There are tons of studies on colorism everywhere and those doing such work are not even in top 50 programs. Is anyone surprised that colorism matters and it exists? Not a very novel conclusion!

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073a

Funny thing is there are probably 1000x more studies on segregation than colorism. So colorism is relatively more novel to study.

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Sociologist
b931

Several of his colleagues at Harvard work primarily with secondary datatsets. Jason Beckfield?

Not black, doesn’t count

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Sociologist
0721

He's related to Thelonious Monk. Seriously. Also, Ellis is a really nice guy.

With a name like Ellis Monk, how is he not a professional jazz pianist?

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b5bf

For every single one of Monk's studies (health, occupation, education, criminal justice), we can find 5 other studies that have the same findings. Explain to me what is the original idea in his line of work?

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b5bf

Typically you need to come up with an original framework, a novel data set (and, hence, novel findings), or refute a major theory to be able to work at places like Princeton, Harvard, and Chicago.

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Sociologist
073a

What's original about segregation studies? Or basically any study on inequality? Race matters. Gender matters. Segregation matters.

X matters.

This is du-m-b. You must be du-m-b.

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Sociologist
21be

Y'all are really just now noticing that there are radically different standards for black scholars than for others?? That applies at all levels, from undergrad admissions to post-graduate hiring to tenure decisions. This is a funny thread in that there seems no be no awareness about this.
It's all like a bad telling of the Emperor's New Clothes, where if you mention a black "scholar" isn't really such, that's taken as a sign of your poor character, and everyone else is socially required to signal virtue by pretending to see something that isn't really there.

Just keeping pointing out how he's a nice person so people disregard the substance of the criticisms.

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ed9e

There is no substance. Lots of people use secondary data. Even in his department. Lots of work just says X matters and there are other studies making the same claims. There's really no such thing as totally novel research. Everything has been studied before. Multiple people said he mentioned interviews for a book. So maybe he did collect his own data after all. You have no substance.

Looks like you're just targeting a blck professor. Classic stuff here. Sadly.

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d2ab

Very little work at top institutions is novel. It's a prestige jerking system.

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b5bf

this is ridiculous on so many levels. What you're saying is that black scholars are immune from criticism. Why?

There is no substance. Lots of people use secondary data. Even in his department. Lots of work just says X matters and there are other studies making the same claims. There's really no such thing as totally novel research. Everything has been studied before. Multiple people said he mentioned interviews for a book. So maybe he did collect his own data after all. You have no substance.
Looks like you're just targeting a blck professor. Classic stuff here. Sadly.

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Sociologist
d2ab

this is ridiculous on so many levels. What you're saying is that black scholars are immune from criticism. Why?
There is no substance. Lots of people use secondary data. Even in his department. Lots of work just says X matters and there are other studies making the same claims. There's really no such thing as totally novel research. Everything has been studied before. Multiple people said he mentioned interviews for a book. So maybe he did collect his own data after all. You have no substance.
Looks like you're just targeting a blck professor. Classic stuff here. Sadly.

No, we are asking why you decided to single out a Black scholar for something White scholars do all the time.

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Sociologist
b5bf

Name one white faculty at the associate level Harvard, Chicago, or Princeton who used the same exact available data set (not original data) and comes up with the same conclusions.

this is ridiculous on so many levels. What you're saying is that black scholars are immune from criticism. Why?
There is no substance. Lots of people use secondary data. Even in his department. Lots of work just says X matters and there are other studies making the same claims. There's really no such thing as totally novel research. Everything has been studied before. Multiple people said he mentioned interviews for a book. So maybe he did collect his own data after all. You have no substance.
Looks like you're just targeting a blck professor. Classic stuff here. Sadly.
No, we are asking why you decided to single out a Black scholar for something White scholars do all the time.

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1c3f

If you want to study colorism, NSAF is your main thing. Saying he shouldn't use it is ridiculous.

IMO it is hard to find a junior scholar at any of these top schools that lives up to the hype. I don't think EM is worth all of the glowing praise but that's because almost no one at his career stage does.

This is kinda silly. He studies colorism and it's really good work too. I doubt many data sets have skin tone. Plus 4CC is right, most demography and health folk use big national surveys that already exist. This is a nothingburger.

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bfa4

You're talking outta your a/z/z. Whyte quants do this all the time. Full of it.

Pick better targets. There are plenty Whyte and Blck ones. Not one that has major pubs and HQ work.

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Sociologist
b5bf

You're making my point. He only studies colorism and uses the same data set to show the same things. I'm questioning what the hype is all about. It's not like we had no idea that skin color matters and he discovered it. It's not like he was the first one to use the data set either. Even his work in Latin America used the recycled data. So, I'm asking: what is the hype about?

If you want to study colorism, NSAF is your main thing. Saying he shouldn't use it is ridiculous.
IMO it is hard to find a junior scholar at any of these top schools that lives up to the hype. I don't think EM is worth all of the glowing praise but that's because almost no one at his career stage does.
This is kinda silly. He studies colorism and it's really good work too. I doubt many data sets have skin tone. Plus 4CC is right, most demography and health folk use big national surveys that already exist. This is a nothingburger.

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b5bf

Again, name one white faculty at the associate level who has never collected original data at Princeton, Harvard or Chicago.

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Sociologist
b5bf

You can't say that white faculty "do this all the time" without supporting the claim.

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6ba1

And how many people only study segregation? You sound pretty slow and mega r/aic-ist.

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Sociologist
b5bf

Right. You can't really respond to the critiques and resort to calling people racist. Very smart.

And how many people only study segregation? You sound pretty slow and mega r/aic-ist.

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