you can definitely tell that the pro-Monk posts are from the same few people.
Ellis Monk
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There people with much more than Monk (5+ pubs, book, and some research money) at far less prestigious universities. It's pretty standard at a mid-level research university to have a published book AND about 5 articles before becoming Associate Professor. With only 5 articles and no book, I doubt he would be tenured at a place like Penn State, Ohio State, UCSD, and other mid-level R1s.
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There people with much more than Monk (5+ pubs, book, and some research money) at far less prestigious universities. It's pretty standard at a mid-level research university to have a published book AND about 5 articles before becoming Associate Professor. With only 5 articles and no book, I doubt he would be tenured at a place like Penn State, Ohio State, UCSD, and other mid-level R1s.
Places like Harvard are much less concerned with bean-counting and much more concerned with how famous you are or are projected to be. That's really all they care about.
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With only 5 articles and no book, I doubt he would be tenured at a place like Penn State, Ohio State, UCSD, and other mid-level R1s.
All you need to know about the grad student trolls in this thread is that they call places like Penn State and Ohio State "Mid-Level R1s".
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Bean counting is dumb but at least do it right. Bruch got Associate with tenure in 2016. In 2016 she had 5 articles and a reply to a comment on one of her AJS articles (with her advisor). 4/5 articles were co-authored including 1 of the 2 AJS articles.
I hate bean counting, but Bruch had 3 AJSs and 8 pubs before becoming Associate. Monk has one AJS and others in much less prestigious journals. Just saying.
5 articles and no book means no tenure? Tell that to Bruch at Michigan. -
fair enough. So, Monk has a comparable record to someone at Michigan with a less impressive record. Has Bruch been poached by Chicago, Princeton, and Harvard like a superstar? If not, then we have our answer right here. With a less than impressive record (not like Desmond, Sharkey and others mentioned on here), why the hype about Monk?
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I think the point is that with 5 pubs in 7 years, I think that he would have a hard time getting tenure even at OS, PS, and UCSD, among others.
With only 5 articles and no book, I doubt he would be tenured at a place like Penn State, Ohio State, UCSD, and other mid-level R1s.
All you need to know about the grad student trolls in this thread is that they call places like Penn State and Ohio State "Mid-Level R1s". -
Maybe.
But, (and I'm not saying you're saying this) we can't say for sure he'd have 5 pubs in 7 years if at OS, PS, and UCSD.
Monk's productivity at his level is normal for his intstitution.
I think it's fair to think he'd do the same thing at other institutions.
I think the point is that with 5 pubs in 7 years, I think that he would have a hard time getting tenure even at OS, PS, and UCSD, among others.
With only 5 articles and no book, I doubt he would be tenured at a place like Penn State, Ohio State, UCSD, and other mid-level R1s.
All you need to know about the grad student trolls in this thread is that they call places like Penn State and Ohio State "Mid-Level R1s". -
Viterna had 4 articles when she began her Associate clock. One paper was solo. Filiz Garip had 5 articles when she started her Associate clock and only one paper was solo. Both got tenure a few years later.
Different clocks, different institutions, different strategies.
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Viterna had 4 articles when she began her Associate clock. One paper was solo. Filiz Garip had 5 articles when she started her Associate clock and only one paper was solo. Both got tenure a few years later.
Different clocks, different institutions, different strategies.
? They were all at Harvard
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you can definitely tell that the pro-Monk posts are from the same few people.
you can definitely tell that the anti-Monk posts are from the same few people.
The discipline: Accepts all his published articles in our top journals. Princeton, Harvard, Chicago, and others all want him on their faculty. Sociologists speak highly of him on social media.
2-3 SJMR bros: Few people like him
lolwut?!
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Hi Ellis Monk!
you can definitely tell that the pro-Monk posts are from the same few people.
you can definitely tell that the anti-Monk posts are from the same few people.
The discipline: Accepts all his published articles in our top journals. Princeton, Harvard, Chicago, and others all want him on their faculty. Sociologists speak highly of him on social media.
2-3 SJMR bros: Few people like him
lolwut?! -
Hi Ellis Monk!
you can definitely tell that the pro-Monk posts are from the same few people.
you can definitely tell that the anti-Monk posts are from the same few people.
The discipline: Accepts all his published articles in our top journals. Princeton, Harvard, Chicago, and others all want him on their faculty. Sociologists speak highly of him on social media.
2-3 SJMR bros: Few people like him
lolwut?!Lol this actually furthers the point. No one likes him enough that you'd suggest that only he could come to his own defense. And yet, A LOT of ppl like him as the original comment suggested.