don't be a narc tho
Do I report this to IRB?
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Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved.
Lots of things are better. Good collaborations and student mentorship is better. A good day teaching is better. Seeing your work published after months/years of work is better. Maintaining friendships is better. Having family that loves you is better.
Just do good work, support people around you, keep your nose out of other's business, and don't stab anyone in the back. If you are on the tenure committee and this person is up for tenure, fine -- you have a job to do, and I would delicately raise the CV lies. But if you are just a colleague in the department, my advice is to keep your nose out of it.
Wow, I feel like this is Teaching Emotional Intelligence for Dummies.
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You an also go to the colleague and say "hey, I noticed this on your CV. You might want to remove/change this stuff as it could become an issue when you go up for tenure." I guarantee they remove it immediately and now you've done them a favour instead of stabbing them in the back.
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Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved.
Lots of things are better. Good collaborations and student mentorship is better. A good day teaching is better. Seeing your work published after months/years of work is better. Maintaining friendships is better. Having family that loves you is better.
Just do good work, support people around you, keep your nose out of other's business, and don't stab anyone in the back. If you are on the tenure committee and this person is up for tenure, fine -- you have a job to do, and I would delicately raise the CV lies. But if you are just a colleague in the department, my advice is to keep your nose out of it.
Wow, I feel like this is Teaching Emotional Intelligence for Dummies.Look at this chick chicksplaining life to a person far more ethical than she is.
Yes, there is a danger in being a whistleblower, but only if you don’t do it anonymously. And you should blow the whistle on fra/uds whenever you can.
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Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved.
Lots of things are better. Good collaborations and student mentorship is better. A good day teaching is better. Seeing your work published after months/years of work is better. Maintaining friendships is better. Having family that loves you is better.
Just do good work, support people around you, keep your nose out of other's business, and don't stab anyone in the back. If you are on the tenure committee and this person is up for tenure, fine -- you have a job to do, and I would delicately raise the CV lies. But if you are just a colleague in the department, my advice is to keep your nose out of it.
Wow, I feel like this is Teaching Emotional Intelligence for Dummies.what is emotional intelligence and what does anything you said have anything to do with it?
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Ask yourself: are there genuine ethical issues with their violation, or are you just catching them on a procedural issue? Did they just do some interviews before the paperwork was in, or are there legitimate risks or concerns you have for the participants?
More importantly, ask yourself if you want to be in prolonged conflict with this person. Everything you've said gives me the indication that they are going to escalate or double down once provoked. Is that what you want to spend energy on? I can guarantee it will be thankless. All the people that have concerns about this person will do none of the lifting and will not appreciate what you are doing.
Good luck making friends in the new city. It can be tough!
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Who cares about IRB? That�s trivial. If you want do him in, focus on cv fra/ud. That�s actually a firing offense.
Who has ever been fired for mis//information on CV?Claiming degrees you don't have is potentially a very big deal. Faculty credentialing is the first thing accrediting teams look at at LRMs. If you're teaching a class based on a masters you don't actually have, you're risking the schools accreditation status.
Plus, people just don't like li/ars and che/aters (unless they are orange tv personalities).
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You an also go to the colleague and say "hey, I noticed this on your CV. You might want to remove/change this stuff as it could become an issue when you go up for tenure." I guarantee they remove it immediately and now you've done them a favour instead of stabbing them in the back.
When I became aware of the first plan to conduct interviews, I asked the person how the IRB process went - adding they can take so long. The reply was “I haven’t applied for IRB approval yet.” 6 months later, the person reported conducting interviews. The approval was granted another 2 months after this point. Word got back to me that my initial question about replying was “offensive and presumptive” and that I was being badmouthed.
I have absolutely no trust they will respond appropriately. The CV is another shocker and there are others. Endless lies, promises, etc.
I should probably just drop it as the person is also super popular and has many people falling all over themselves in support.
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IRB officer back here.
1978, I think we're working from different premises. Your somewhat naive presumption is that this person is fixable. What you wrote above is advice on how to be a productive and happy sociologist. Rest assured I do not need that advice. A better argument against my "good stab in the back" comment would have actually been on how to leverage a collective effort to socialize this individual more properly into the profession and discipline. But your remark on casually warning them on "that line on their CV" shows a desperately simplistic view of what's possible in such cases.
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IRB officer back here.
1978, I think we're working from different premises. Your somewhat naive presumption is that this person is fixable. What you wrote above is advice on how to be a productive and happy sociologist. Rest assured I do not need that advice. A better argument against my "good stab in the back" comment would have actually been on how to leverage a collective effort to socialize this individual more properly into the profession and discipline. But your remark on casually warning them on "that line on their CV" shows a desperately simplistic view of what's possible in such cases.1978 here: I think you are underestimating me. It's not naïveté. Expressing concern to them really says "hey, I noticed this. I know what's up with your CV lying. You'd better fix it or this will come back to bite you later." If they then know they are faced with the real prospect of losing their job, I bet they fix it. By taking the approach, you haven't actually threatened them or snitched on them; you've simply expressed concern to them about what you noticed. My point is you might get the same results that way, but without having to be a back-stabber.
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IRB officer back here.
1978, I think we're working from different premises. Your somewhat naive presumption is that this person is fixable. What you wrote above is advice on how to be a productive and happy sociologist. Rest assured I do not need that advice. A better argument against my "good stab in the back" comment would have actually been on how to leverage a collective effort to socialize this individual more properly into the profession and discipline. But your remark on casually warning them on "that line on their CV" shows a desperately simplistic view of what's possible in such cases.
1978 here: I think you are underestimating me. It's not na�vet�. Expressing concern to them really says "hey, I noticed this. I know what's up with your CV lying. You'd better fix it or this will come back to bite you later." If they then know they are faced with the real prospect of losing their job, I bet they fix it. By taking the approach, you haven't actually threatened them or snitched on them; you've simply expressed concern to them about what you noticed. My point is you might get the same results that way, but without having to be a back-stabber.No one will take that advice well. Especially not a narcissist, which most fra/uds are. Do it anonymously.
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1978 - you will get those results from someone who is slightly fast and loose, but inherently a good sport. the kind of person who talks about their "third book" when the first two were edited volumes with a real short intro, and the third only exists in their imagination to date.
You will not get those results from sociopaths who will plow right through your gentle nudges and turn you into their target. And that, I believe, makes backstabbing an emotionally intelligent response. Unless, that is, you are morally repulsed by it.
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As an IRB officer.... IRB violation is no big deal. It's just paperwork. Most - though by no means all - of my colleagues know how to not harm respondents. The complicated situations, such as what to do with blood samples, or telling a psych person they can't ask aggressively about past rape experiences (yes, it happened), are very, very rare.
However, if skipping IRB is coupled with fabricating data... that's a whole other game.
I'm in the "wait till they are vulnerable" camp. You have no idea how the whole thing will play out now. You give them time to defend themselves, reframe the situation, work the angle to jump into another job, etc etc etc. Or worse, depending on your dean. But when they're up for tenure, you literally have a formal pathway to lay it all out, as anonymously as your heart wishes. All the people shouting "do the right thing right now" may or may not understand how departmental politics work. Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved." IRB violation is no big deal."
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As an IRB officer.... IRB violation is no big deal. It's just paperwork. Most - though by no means all - of my colleagues know how to not harm respondents. The complicated situations, such as what to do with blood samples, or telling a psych person they can't ask aggressively about past rape experiences (yes, it happened), are very, very rare.
However, if skipping IRB is coupled with fabricating data... that's a whole other game.
I'm in the "wait till they are vulnerable" camp. You have no idea how the whole thing will play out now. You give them time to defend themselves, reframe the situation, work the angle to jump into another job, etc etc etc. Or worse, depending on your dean. But when they're up for tenure, you literally have a formal pathway to lay it all out, as anonymously as your heart wishes. All the people shouting "do the right thing right now" may or may not understand how departmental politics work. Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved.
" IRB violation is no big deal."
Wow.It’s not a big deal. Subjecting human subjects to risk or harm is a big deal. Being bad at IRB paperwork signifies nothing at all.
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Except for the many hurdles that IRB will make you go through so you can do research again, like post approval monitoring, extra training, and more critical review when you apply for approval or exemption again. You won't get fired, I can see that obv, but the admin hurdles would be annoying!
As an IRB officer.... IRB violation is no big deal. It's just paperwork. Most - though by no means all - of my colleagues know how to not harm respondents. The complicated situations, such as what to do with blood samples, or telling a psych person they can't ask aggressively about past rape experiences (yes, it happened), are very, very rare.
However, if skipping IRB is coupled with fabricating data... that's a whole other game.
I'm in the "wait till they are vulnerable" camp. You have no idea how the whole thing will play out now. You give them time to defend themselves, reframe the situation, work the angle to jump into another job, etc etc etc. Or worse, depending on your dean. But when they're up for tenure, you literally have a formal pathway to lay it all out, as anonymously as your heart wishes. All the people shouting "do the right thing right now" may or may not understand how departmental politics work. Nothing better than a good stab in the back, when deserved.
" IRB violation is no big deal."
Wow.
It�s not a big deal. Subjecting human subjects to risk or harm is a big deal. Being bad at IRB paperwork signifies nothing at all.As an IRB officer.... IRB violation is no big deal. It's just paperwork. Most - though by no means all - of my colleagues know how to not harm respondents. The complicated situations, such as what to do with blood samples, or telling a psych person they can't ask aggressively about past rape experiences (yes, it happened), are very, very rare.
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However, if skipping IRB is coupled with fabricating data... that's a whole other game.
I'm in the "wait