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Sociologist
6a5d

Race isn't biological.

Neither sociology, anthropology, nor psychology support this definition of race.

The question stands: Is there a cogent rationale for treating trans gender differently than trans race?
The obvious analogy is in the animal kingdom: many animals have ability to change sex under particular circumstances, while no animal has ability to change to another species of animal. The different races of humans are really different species regarding genetic, morphological, and behavioral differentiation.

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Sociologist
581c

The question stands: Is there a cogent rationale for treating trans gender differently than trans race?
The obvious analogy is in the animal kingdom: many animals have ability to change sex under particular circumstances, while no animal has ability to change to another species of animal. The different races of humans are really different species regarding genetic, morphological, and behavioral differentiation.

Speaking of non-sociologist tr00lz...

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Sociologist
d1bb

People talk so much about these cases as if they were an important phenomenon. But if you can count the total incidents of some event on one hand, it is so rare that it is insignificant.

The idea that people are "harmed" or "hurt" by these fakers is also ridiculous. Maybe some psychological disturbed people, who are bothered by everything, feel an actual negative emotion, but other than that, the real emotions out there are more likely to be "bemusement" or "annoyance" or "dislike," rather than any non-trivial psychological pain.

The real lesson from these is that in far-left spaces like academia, there is actually the opposite of racism. Minorities, especially blacks, seemingly have a halo around them and are largely treated with reverence and deference. No wonder people want to join the club.

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Sociologist
a93e

Race isn't biological.
Neither sociology, anthropology, nor psychology support this definition of race.

Race is obviously biological.
The genetic differentiation between a Norwegian and Yoruba is greater than that between a grey wolf and a coyote. Are a grey wolf and coyote different species?

Europeans due to specific inheritance from neanderthals are known to have different psychological qualities than other races.

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Sociologist
5de0

literally never been brought up in all the threads on this topic.
Also, someone said earlier "we are against racial fluidity". that's not the sense I get from people who study it. Most seem interested in understanding it, not really critiquing it or saying it isnt' legit.
Most of the soc research on racial fluidity is of very poor quality though. More significantly, studies of category shifting on the census tell us nothing about individual cases, nor about how people respond to them.
The question stands: Is there a cogent rationale for treating trans gender differently than trans race?

none of the "racial fluidity" stuff I've seen uses census data. lots of qualitative stuff, some surveys. Not even sure how you could use the census to study it, since it's not panel data.

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Sociologist
581c

People talk so much about these cases as if they were an important phenomenon. But if you can count the total incidents of some event on one hand, it is so rare that it is insignificant.

I can easily name twenty cases of academic transracials off the top of my head, and did so on sjmr within the last few months. It's not as rare as you think.

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Sociologist
c140

Race isn't biological.
Neither sociology, anthropology, nor psychology support this definition of race.
Race is obviously biological.
The genetic differentiation between a Norwegian and Yoruba is greater than that between a grey wolf and a coyote. Are a grey wolf and coyote different species?
Europeans due to specific inheritance from neanderthals are known to have different psychological qualities than other races.

Econ troll is confusing race with ethnicity. Aww.

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Sociologist
190a

I can easily name twenty cases of academic transracials off the top of my head, and did so on sjmr within the last few months. It's not as rare as you think.

link or it didn't happen

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Sociologist
94d4

Econ troll is confusing race with ethnicity. Aww.

No, it's that a Norwegian and a Yoruba are approximately most genetically divergent/differentiated subgroups of their respective racial types.

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Sociologist
c140

People talk so much about these cases as if they were an important phenomenon. But if you can count the total incidents of some event on one hand, it is so rare that it is insignificant.
The idea that people are "harmed" or "hurt" by these fakers is also ridiculous. Maybe some psychological disturbed people, who are bothered by everything, feel an actual negative emotion, but other than that, the real emotions out there are more likely to be "bemusement" or "annoyance" or "dislike," rather than any non-trivial psychological pain.
The real lesson from these is that in far-left spaces like academia, there is actually the opposite of racism. Minorities, especially blacks, seemingly have a halo around them and are largely treated with reverence and deference. No wonder people want to join the club.

Weird. If Krug was your mentor and you confided in her, you wouldn’t be hurt and confused to hear that she had been lying about who she was? If you were her colleague or someone who was on a committee that awarded her DEI fellowships, you wouldn’t feel totally gross? Discovering that someone you thought you respected and could trust is a total fraud is no minor annoyance.

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Sociologist
6a5d

The idea that people of color would not be offended by a white person using passing to increase their status and/or accrue resources is laughable.

Also, laughable was the attempt to slander the people offended by white people passing as a means to accrue resources by saying that they are mentally unstable and bereft of real emotion.

Your post is a Trollbridge Too Far.

People talk so much about these cases as if they were an important phenomenon. But if you can count the total incidents of some event on one hand, it is so rare that it is insignificant.
The idea that people are "harmed" or "hurt" by these fakers is also ridiculous. Maybe some psychological disturbed people, who are bothered by everything, feel an actual negative emotion, but other than that, the real emotions out there are more likely to be "bemusement" or "annoyance" or "dislike," rather than any non-trivial psychological pain.
The real lesson from these is that in far-left spaces like academia, there is actually the opposite of racism. Minorities, especially blacks, seemingly have a halo around them and are largely treated with reverence and deference. No wonder people want to join the club.

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Sociologist
581c

If Krug was your mentor and you confided in her, you wouldn�t be hurt and confused to hear that she had been lying about who she was? If you were her colleague or someone who was on a committee that awarded her DEI fellowships, you wouldn�t feel totally gross? Discovering that someone you thought you respected and could trust is a total fraud is no minor annoyance.

What if you found out she had been born a male? Would still you be as hurt?

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Sociologist
5de0

If Krug was your mentor and you confided in her, you wouldn?t be hurt and confused to hear that she had been lying about who she was? If you were her colleague or someone who was on a committee that awarded her DEI fellowships, you wouldn?t feel totally gross? Discovering that someone you thought you respected and could trust is a total fraud is no minor annoyance.
What if you found out she had been born a male? Would still you be as hurt?

to me part of the difference is that some of these folks went so far as to make up stories at their background, posting about their "abuelas" homemade cuban food and such. Like, it's clear that story didn't actually happen, because you aren't cuban, and you don't call your grandparents spanish words.

I don't know what the equivalent would be with gender, where there isn't really a culture ascribed to a gender. I guess they could talk about how they love to p/e/e standing up, or something.

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Sociologist
6a5d

Once again, race isn't biological.

Saying that genetic differentiation is equal to racial differentiation is a circular argument.

Race, as is being discussed, is not equivalent to species.

Even if there are psychological differences between Europeans and non-Europeans, one can't simply say that the differences are biological in basis.

For instance, one might say that exposure to pro-European/anti-European propaganda has led to a number of Europeans suffering a type of mania grounded in the notion of white racial superiority.

Race isn't biological.
Neither sociology, anthropology, nor psychology support this definition of race.
Race is obviously biological.
The genetic differentiation between a Norwegian and Yoruba is greater than that between a grey wolf and a coyote. Are a grey wolf and coyote different species?
Europeans due to specific inheritance from neanderthals are known to have different psychological qualities than other races.

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Sociologist
581c

no/ne of the "rac/ial flu/idity" stuff I've seen uses cen/sus data. lots of q/ua/litative stuff, some surveys. Not even sure how you could use the cen/sus to study it, since it's not pa/nel data.

I was refer/ring to the q/u/an/t stuff by S/a/p/e/rst/e/i/n et al, which does not re/p/li/cate. I agree that the cen/sus is an in/ap/pro/p/riate data set to use for this purpose, for a variety of reasons.

On the qual side I know of Br/ub/aker and L/o/v/e/man in soc. But the best things I've read on ra/ce shi/f/ting have all been by his/to/rians of La/t/in Am/eri/ca.

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Sociologist
581c

I don't know what the equivalent would be with gender, where there isn't really a culture ascribed to a gender. I guess they could talk about how they love to p/e/e standing up, or something.

Dressing like a woman, talking like a woman, presenting herself as a woman in all social and professional settings--where's the difference? Does she have the responsibility to disclose that she's transitioned? If not, then why treat transracials differently?

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Sociologist
c140

If Krug was your mentor and you confided in her, you wouldn?t be hurt and confused to hear that she had been lying about who she was? If you were her colleague or someone who was on a committee that awarded her DEI fellowships, you wouldn?t feel totally gross? Discovering that someone you thought you respected and could trust is a total fraud is no minor annoyance.
What if you found out she had been born a male? Would still you be as hurt?

Faking an identity for work, whether it’s race, gender, sexuality, or any other social category, is not the same as being trans. Have you not seen Mrs. Doubtfire?

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Sociologist
5de0

I don't know what the equivalent would be with gender, where there isn't really a culture ascribed to a gender. I guess they could talk about how they love to p/e/e standing up, or something.
Dressing like a woman, talking like a woman, presenting herself as a woman in all social and professional settings--where's the difference? Does she have the responsibility to disclose that she's transitioned? If not, then why treat transracials differently?

yeah, but in this situation u got people that are making up stories about their extended family and their cultural background. Like, literally making up stories about eating certain foods and such.

It would be like me, someone who was raised Catholic, making up stories about going to synagogue at Hannakah or something.

I guess the equivalent would be trans people saying that their families treated them as the other gender growing up? or something? IDK

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Sociologist
5474

Race isn't biological.
Neither sociology, anthropology, nor psychology support this definition of race.
Race is obviously biological.
The genetic differentiation between a Norwegian and Yoruba is greater than that between a grey wolf and a coyote. Are a grey wolf and coyote different species?
Europeans due to specific inheritance from neanderthals are known to have different psychological qualities than other races.

You're conflating race with ancestry and gender with sex. Typical but still unproductive and misguided.
People can't change sex; gender is made up; race is linked to biological factors but not reducible to them; and ancestry is wholly biological, like sex.

Trans-whatever = replacing biology to match some social norms or stereotypes and reifies those stereotypes.

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Sociologist
581c

Another white-to-black transracial:

https://www.blackindylive.com/shocking-details-emerge-on-indy-activist-who-faked-life-as-a-black-woman/

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